Re: [orca-list] Progress update on the "List of" dialogs

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

Hi, all,

I sat down and thought about this last night and wondered if something along
the lines of an escape sequence might be possible to resolve conflicts.
Emacs uses this a lot and it works pretty well there.  You press a hotkey
that makes the system wait for input which is the real hotkey you want.  For
instance:

Orca-l is the escape key:

o-l 1 = list of level 1 headings
o-l 2 = list of level 2 headings.


You get the picture?  People wind up either loving this or hating this so, I
don't know how feasible this would be for a solution if keyboard conflits
are suspected in future.  It would open up virtually the entire panorama of
potential hotkey combinations as long as the user pressed orca-l before they
did the hotkey.  


Regards,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Fernando
Botelho
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:29 AM
To: Joanmarie Diggs
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Progress update on the "List of" dialogs

Dear Joanie and all, I hope I am not too late in terms of offering my two
cents.

I am all in favor of this solution, lets  use alt shift combinations and
unbind the few conflicts that exist.

Also, the new features are way too important to leave them unbound.

Control Alt combinations are already used by distributions like F123 and
Vinux and I am sure many others. Plus they should be reserved for the user
to play with.

Thanks,

Fernando



On 02/05/2013 10:07 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> On 02/05/2013 06:44 AM, Hammer Attila wrote:
>
> > Basicaly, your concept with CTRL+ALT+Structural navigation letter is 
> > full logical and easy to learning.
>
> Thanks. Something that would be equally easy and less conflict-prone 
> would be Alt+Shift+Structural navigation letter. In fact, that was my 
> first choice, and it nearly worked too. Why I liked it:
>
> * Orca is already using Alt+Shift+Arrows for table cell navigation
>    which is a type of structural navigation.
>
> * Alt+Shift+Letters does not conflict with any system bindings
>    (like the gnome-shell lock binding of Ctrl+Alt+L)
>
> * It doesn't conflict with any other Orca commands for the letters.
>
> * The only place it conflicts is with the numbers. In particular,
>    Alt + Shift + 1-6 are the commands for getting "Where am I
>    information for this bookmark relative to the current pointer
>    location".
>    http://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/commands_bookmarks.html
>
> As you will also see if you read those docs, the conflicting 
> keybindings are not for the primary bookmark functionality like saving 
> bookmarks or going to bookmarks. It's for (what I consider) a set of 
> fairly esoteric, not often needed commands.
>
> So I'm going to ask a question and make a proposal:
>
> Question: Who amongst you actually uses the commands specific to 
> getting "Where am I information for this bookmark relative to the 
> current pointer location".
>
> Proposal:
>
> a. Let's unbind those Where Am I bookmark commands.
> b. Let's "steal" Alt+Shift+1-6 for the heading by level dialogs.
> c. Let's use Alt+Shift+structural navigation letter for the rest.
>     (including Alt+Shift+L for the list of lists) d. Let's use 
> Alt+Shift+K for the list of links
>
> Thoughts?
> --joanie
>
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