Re: [orca-list] Progress update on the "List of" dialogs

[Fernando Botelho <fernando botelho f123 org>]

I love the idea but hate the implications. Lets consider this for a 
major redesign of keyboard shortcuts on Orca and Gnome and all, in the 
medium to long term. To have something like this happening right now, 
and only in Orca will cause a lot of confusion among beginners and we 
will kill any chance of going mainstream.

However, it is a powerful concept. So if there is a way to keep things 
normal for most users and have something like this on the side... But 
still, it is a lot of complexity for just a few advanced users, which 
will be much happier with Emacs anyway.

Just my initial thought.

Fernando



On 02/07/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> I sat down and thought about this last night and wondered if something along
> the lines of an escape sequence might be possible to resolve conflicts.
> Emacs uses this a lot and it works pretty well there.  You press a hotkey
> that makes the system wait for input which is the real hotkey you want.  For
> instance:
>
> Orca-l is the escape key:
>
> o-l 1 = list of level 1 headings
> o-l 2 = list of level 2 headings.
>
>
> You get the picture?  People wind up either loving this or hating this so, I
> don't know how feasible this would be for a solution if keyboard conflits
> are suspected in future.  It would open up virtually the entire panorama of
> potential hotkey combinations as long as the user pressed orca-l before they
> did the hotkey.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alex M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Fernando
> Botelho
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:29 AM
> To: Joanmarie Diggs
> Cc: orca-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Progress update on the "List of" dialogs
>
> Dear Joanie and all, I hope I am not too late in terms of offering my two
> cents.
>
> I am all in favor of this solution, lets  use alt shift combinations and
> unbind the few conflicts that exist.
>
> Also, the new features are way too important to leave them unbound.
>
> Control Alt combinations are already used by distributions like F123 and
> Vinux and I am sure many others. Plus they should be reserved for the user
> to play with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fernando
>
>
>
> On 02/05/2013 10:07 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > On 02/05/2013 06:44 AM, Hammer Attila wrote:
> >
> > > Basicaly, your concept with CTRL+ALT+Structural navigation letter is
> > > full logical and easy to learning.
> >
> > Thanks. Something that would be equally easy and less conflict-prone
> > would be Alt+Shift+Structural navigation letter. In fact, that was my
> > first choice, and it nearly worked too. Why I liked it:
> >
> > * Orca is already using Alt+Shift+Arrows for table cell navigation
> >     which is a type of structural navigation.
> >
> > * Alt+Shift+Letters does not conflict with any system bindings
> >     (like the gnome-shell lock binding of Ctrl+Alt+L)
> >
> > * It doesn't conflict with any other Orca commands for the letters.
> >
> > * The only place it conflicts is with the numbers. In particular,
> >     Alt + Shift + 1-6 are the commands for getting "Where am I
> >     information for this bookmark relative to the current pointer
> >     location".
> >     http://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/commands_bookmarks.html
> >
> > As you will also see if you read those docs, the conflicting
> > keybindings are not for the primary bookmark functionality like saving
> > bookmarks or going to bookmarks. It's for (what I consider) a set of
> > fairly esoteric, not often needed commands.
> >
> > So I'm going to ask a question and make a proposal:
> >
> > Question: Who amongst you actually uses the commands specific to
> > getting "Where am I information for this bookmark relative to the
> > current pointer location".
> >
> > Proposal:
> >
> > a. Let's unbind those Where Am I bookmark commands.
> > b. Let's "steal" Alt+Shift+1-6 for the heading by level dialogs.
> > c. Let's use Alt+Shift+structural navigation letter for the rest.
> >      (including Alt+Shift+L for the list of lists) d. Let's use
> > Alt+Shift+K for the list of links
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > --joanie
> >
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