Re: [orca-list] the speakupmodified dists from speakupmodified.org

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I don't think anyone is saying that Emacs isn't different from what
people are used to today, but I think the point is, and I thought of
making this myself, is that Emacs didn't choose to be different or
non-standard or go away from the convention that you see today. Emacs
predates all of what you think of as standard or conventional these
days. I also don't think you'll see Emacs changing it's key bindings any
time soon. This would frustrate long time Emacs users, and you'd have to
prove that marking text with control+shift+arrow keys and cutting it
with control+x is superior to setting a mark and then writing it to the
queue with control+w. Emacs maybe unfamiliar when compared to GUI
applications of the day, but that doesn't mean it isn't a superior way
of doing things. Just as Orca isn't going to drop something superior
just to be compatible with JAWS, Emacs isn't going to drop a better way
of doing something just to make it work more like MS Office.

On 10/07/12 09:33, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi Kirk,
>
> You are absolutely correct, but it doesn't change the facts. We are
> not living in the 1980's any more, and today most of the people who
> are using computers have grown up with Microsoft Windows, Microsoft
> Office, etc and never had experience with Dos let alone Emacs etc.
> While Emacs may have been the norm for the 1980's it is very
> unconventional now days and the majority of the users will inevitably
> choose Open Office, Libre Office, Gedit, whatever because it is
> similar to their prior experience. Were Emacs rewritten with more
> modern keyboard commands it might possibly see more use from the
> people coming from the Mac OS/Windows environments.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On 7/10/12, Kirk Reiser <kirk braille uwo ca> wrote:
> > I believe you are absolutely right in your message below except for
> > one fact.  It is not that emacs or vi chose to be different than the
> > norm.  When they were written they were the norm.  This is a point
> > that so many newbies either forget or never learned.  The editors and
> > other applications such as emacs came long before Microsoft ever
> > dreamed of Windows or even DOS.  DOS was a cheap immitation of the
> > Unix type shell only poorer, a lesser cousin if you will.
> >
> > They could not choose to be different because there was nobody to be
> > different from except other unknowns by todays standards such a teco
> > and redit etc.
> >
> >    Kirk
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