Re: [orca-list] Proposal: Locking key state will always be announced

[Timothy Hobbs <timothyhobbs seznam cz>]

Though now that I think of it, there is a feature that would make me
very much love Orca's magnification... You see, my hands also tremor,
and when using the gnome magnification the whole screen shakes...  If
there was a way to poll the mouse position every half second, instead of
continuously... That would be great...

Timothy
Timothy Hobbs pÃÅe v Po 02. 01. 2012 v 21:02 +0100:
> Joanmarie,
>
> I think it might be reasonable to ask if anyone here actually uses
> Orca's magnification feature.  I would fit into the category of people
> who can see well but use magnification for text(dyslexia + various
> movement disorders of the eyes[which really sounds worse than it is]).
> But I use Gnome3's built in magnification feature(available from the
> black man in the circle at the top of the screen).  It has significantly
> better performance, stability, uses screen space more efficiently.
> Perhaps this is a case were you should give blind users precedence.  It
> is also perhaps a case where you might stop doing screen magnification
> within Orca and instead work on making sure Orca works with the screen
> magnification within gnome itself.
>
> This is actually another place where things are getting worse from an
> accessibility standpoint.  I have trouble reading long lines of text
> because my eyes tremor and jump around a bit(I lose my place, have to
> use my fingers to stay focused on the right bit of text).  It used to be
> true that in firefox I could simply zoom in the text and the text would
> wrap, thus making the lines shorter.  Now as more people use various
> techniques to strictly define the format of their web pages, this
> zooming no longer works(it causes horizontal pan scrolling instead of
> wrapping).  So I find I am using the gnome zoom feature more and
> more(which is of course less comfortable than simply having large
> wrapped text...
>
> Timothy
>
> Joanmarie Diggs pÃÅe v Po 02. 01. 2012 v 20:23 +0100:
> > Hey Andy.
> >
> > On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 14:09 -0500, Andy B. wrote:
> > > Agree except for the display screen text only. Locking keys should be 
> > > announced regardless. The system is modified regardless of what is on 
> > > screen. The only way locking keys will not be announced is when speech 
> > > is turned off.
> >
> > Just to clarify something, the setting to speak displayed text only is
> > something we added for users who can see, such as magnification users
> > who benefit from some speech and users with learning disabilities who
> > can see just fine, but are unable to process printed content. Consider a
> > checkbox with text next to it. Orca's normal behavior is to not just
> > speak the text, but to also announce it's a checkbox, and to announce if
> > it is presently checked or unchecked, along with any time the checked
> > state changes. In the case of users with sufficient vision to see the
> > object, this is way too chatty. They can see it's a checkbox and whether
> > or not its checked. But seeing (or comprehending) the smallish text next
> > to it is really hard. For such a user, enabling the setting to only
> > speak displayed text would cause Orca to, well, only speak the displayed
> > text. <smiles>
> >
> > If you consider these users in the context of the locking keys: The
> > locking keys have text labels, the locking keys often have associated
> > keyboard lights, and typing with the locking keys locked produces
> > results which are immediately visually noticed. It is for these reasons
> > that I proposed also disabling state announcement when only speak
> > displayed text is enabled.
> >
> > And please note that I'm not trying to get you to change your mind; I
> > merely want to be sure you (and others) fully understood what the
> > setting in question does.
> >
> > Take care.
> > --joanie
> >
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