Re: [orca-list] Proposal: Locking key state will always be announced

[Timothy Hobbs <timothyhobbs seznam cz>]

Joanmarie,

I think it might be reasonable to ask if anyone here actually uses
Orca's magnification feature.  I would fit into the category of people
who can see well but use magnification for text(dyslexia + various
movement disorders of the eyes[which really sounds worse than it is]).
But I use Gnome3's built in magnification feature(available from the
black man in the circle at the top of the screen).  It has significantly
better performance, stability, uses screen space more efficiently.
Perhaps this is a case were you should give blind users precedence.  It
is also perhaps a case where you might stop doing screen magnification
within Orca and instead work on making sure Orca works with the screen
magnification within gnome itself.

This is actually another place where things are getting worse from an
accessibility standpoint.  I have trouble reading long lines of text
because my eyes tremor and jump around a bit(I lose my place, have to
use my fingers to stay focused on the right bit of text).  It used to be
true that in firefox I could simply zoom in the text and the text would
wrap, thus making the lines shorter.  Now as more people use various
techniques to strictly define the format of their web pages, this
zooming no longer works(it causes horizontal pan scrolling instead of
wrapping).  So I find I am using the gnome zoom feature more and
more(which is of course less comfortable than simply having large
wrapped text...

Timothy

Joanmarie Diggs pÃÅe v Po 02. 01. 2012 v 20:23 +0100:
> Hey Andy.
>
> On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 14:09 -0500, Andy B. wrote:
> > Agree except for the display screen text only. Locking keys should be 
> > announced regardless. The system is modified regardless of what is on 
> > screen. The only way locking keys will not be announced is when speech 
> > is turned off.
>
> Just to clarify something, the setting to speak displayed text only is
> something we added for users who can see, such as magnification users
> who benefit from some speech and users with learning disabilities who
> can see just fine, but are unable to process printed content. Consider a
> checkbox with text next to it. Orca's normal behavior is to not just
> speak the text, but to also announce it's a checkbox, and to announce if
> it is presently checked or unchecked, along with any time the checked
> state changes. In the case of users with sufficient vision to see the
> object, this is way too chatty. They can see it's a checkbox and whether
> or not its checked. But seeing (or comprehending) the smallish text next
> to it is really hard. For such a user, enabling the setting to only
> speak displayed text would cause Orca to, well, only speak the displayed
> text. <smiles>
>
> If you consider these users in the context of the locking keys: The
> locking keys have text labels, the locking keys often have associated
> keyboard lights, and typing with the locking keys locked produces
> results which are immediately visually noticed. It is for these reasons
> that I proposed also disabling state announcement when only speak
> displayed text is enabled.
>
> And please note that I'm not trying to get you to change your mind; I
> merely want to be sure you (and others) fully understood what the
> setting in question does.
>
> Take care.
> --joanie
>
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