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Re: [orca-list] thunderbird getting bad to worst, is evolution a good choice?

Hi Again Dave,
I tryed your .pinerc file and it actually worked for me.
But I can't do a single thing with alpine.
I opened a terminal and typed alpine.
Sure enough it did ask me my password after repeating a lot of \ and _.
I did enter.
It downloaded some mails I guess.
But I am not able to do any thing more.
I wish to browse the emails and then select one to read it.
further more, I want it sorted by date in decending order.
I don't see any how that this could be done.
I wonder how you all guys using alpine manage it so well?
I was about to think of mutt, because I got a good manual on
configuring the same, but if I will get same results, then I am afraid
I am loosing out of mail clients since thunderbird diched me.
Please help with some commans on getting started.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.



On 09/04/2012, Dave Hunt <ka1cey gmail com> wrote:

Hi,

You can use the 'ctrl-w' for 'where is' command and just enter a
string to search for in the message index or body, and you'll be
moved to the first matching content.

There
is a set of 'agrigate' commands that work on a group of selected
messages.  To access these, use ';', while in a message index.  First, you
set your selection criteria, like 'date', 'text', 'status'...  next, you
enter the string to match.  When this is done, you will have a list of
matching messages, marked with an 'x' for 'selected' in your status
column.  if you want to see only the selected messages, use the 'z' for
'zoom' command.
You can choose 'a' to 'apply' an aggrigate command to the selections.
Commands include 'forward', 'move', and 'delete'.  You can slso set up
threading if you want to group by subject.  While you're learning to use
alpine, you may want to remove the 'disable-keymenu' in the config I sent.
Unless you specify otherwise, the editor in alpine is like nano.  Alpine
has a file browser you can use with the arrows, the 'where is' command,
and tab completion.  With the 'show-cursor' switch on, this is tracked
nicely by orca in the gnome terminal.


HTH,


Dave





On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, krishnakant Mane wrote:


Hi Dave,
Thanks a million for that file.
I am bothering you a little bit, because I  never did this before.
I just have a few questions and if you wish, you can send me the
response off the list.
Firstly, give me some commands if you can for browsing the list of
emails by subject (I guess it will be up and down arros with enter to
open the email?).  Also is it possible for doing simple search by
subject, date or both?
secondly, what commands I use to compose an email, how to attach a
file?  I guess I won't get a dialog to enter the file name, but
perhaps some auto complete like on the shell?
Also how to download attachments from an existing email?
third and most important, do I get auto complete when I type in to: or
cc: like I get in thunderbird?
lastly, I went through the configuration file you sent.  but not sure
as to what name should it be saved with and where?
i guess it is alpinerc in my home folder?
Also which should be the best location for saving my inbox, sent, etc
folders or files?
I recall that mutt has some spool file, do we have some thing similar in
alpine?
Can you give me the ideal path which you use for the inbox etc?
I know it might be sounding long and boring, but I wish to really use
this and leave thunderbird till we have a workable version.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.



On 09/04/2012, Dave Hunt <ka1cey gmail com> wrote:



The alpine file I sent configures it to work with gmail as an imap and
smtp server.  No need to install the mail infrastructure if you use my
file, or one like it.  Mutt can be configured this way, as well, I think
there's a sample '.muttrc' file in the vinux wiki?  I used to have it,
but decided I prefer alpine.


Cheers,


Dave


On 04/09/2012 10:55 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote:

So can I get some guidance on getting an accessible cursor for Orca with
mutt?
Will it apply to alpine also?
Further more, is it good to use alpine, given that the support won't
be available (as I herd )?

Can some one tell me if there are keyboard shortcuts for sorting
emails by date in decending or assending order?
I also herd that for mutt there is a lot of configuration involved.
What about alpine?
Will I have to use fetchmail, proc mail etc?
Further more, is it good to use alpine, given that the support won't
be available (as I herd )?
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 09/04/2012, Dave Hunt<ka1cey gmail com>  wrote:


Mutt and alpine are usable in the gnome terminal, with orca.  They may
need a little configuration in order to get a cursor Orca can easily
track, but, it's pretty simple.  I use alpine in the terminal, and
include a sample configuration that makes it very accessible with Orca.
   The file is editable in your favorite text thing, and is well
commented.  In my recent experience, Evolution is not at all usable
anymore.




On 04/09/2012 09:34 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote:

Hello,
I am thinking of trying mutt after reading one manual.
I only wish to know if I can use orca with it?
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On 09/04/2012, Michael Whapples<mwhapples aim com>   wrote:

Hello,
I know what you mean about thunderbird getting worse, I decided I had
enough some time ago. Evolution in my mind wasn't a great experience
either (some of it was me not liking the way evolution does things
rather than me hitting accessibility bugs like in thunderbird). For
me
text based email clients are the only way to go on Linux.

You asked some specific questions about how orca might interact, I
don't
know because I always have used text based clients with speakup. I
have
used pine (alpine I believe behaves very similar as its based on
pine)
and cone and with speakup both were very pleasant experiences. I
believe
from others mutt is also very good with speakup.

I don't have the same need for search facilities as my inbox is much
smaller, so I cannot really say whether alpine or cone would do, but
I
understand mutt is very powerful (the slight extra complexity of mutt
because of the extra power has been what stopped me using it, cone
was
perfectly adequate for my needs and didn't have such a learning
curve).

Michael Whapples
On 09/04/2012 12:40, krishnakant Mane wrote:

On 09/04/2012, Jason White<jason jasonjgw net>    wrote:

krishnakant Mane<krmane gmail com>    wrote:

I have to read and reply a lot of emails every day.
I have a lot of attachments that come my way in form of odt and
ods
files.
I need to often attach documents myself.
I also need a good serch feature so that I can look at my
archives.
With my given requirement, is alpine good or mutt?

Either would be fine.

Mutt is better if you like regular expressions: you can search and
limit
the
displayed messages via regular expression matching, and there's
also
now
a
script that enables you to use Notmuch with Mutt. I haven't tried
it
yet,
but
it's on my list of possible enhancements.

Hi jasen,
I think one problem with commandline email clients would be that I
can't have the entire email spoken by Orca?
if yes, then can I also browse the mail body line by line?
Secondly, if I choose alpine, what all search featurs are available?
and finally do I move in the list of emails by up and down arrows?
do
I hear the subjects like I do in thunderbird?
are there shortcuts for sorting the mails by date?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.





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