Re: [orca-list] What the actual status with GNOME Shell 3.2 accessibility support?

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

Steve, I agree with you, as I just said in a response to Attila. If
there's any comfort in this situation, I take comfort from the fact that
it's not just persons with disabilities they've been willing to offend.
Among others, Linus Torvalds has called Gnome 3 unusable and has
switched to XFCE:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/117091380454742934025/posts/N5yRWsdXwGw

The Compiz people are also pretty upset:

http://www.stefanoforenza.com/compiz-is-getting-rapidly-sick-of-gnome/

So, it seems our misery has good company, if not yet viable alternative
options.

Janina

Steve Holmes writes:
> It seems to me like the GNOME developers forged ahead in big ways with
> GNOME 3 and dappeared to disregard impacts on accessibility.  Ever
> since gnome 3 came out, there have been numerous issues with this and
> that being broken.  From my vantage point, it seems like Orca has
> slipped backward in a big way because of these fundamental changes.
> This doesn't mean anything negative to our Orca developers but gnome
> over all seems to move in multiple directions and not care about the
> impacts.  It's like too many changes at once.
>
> I'm open to hear corrective comments in case I'm wrong but this is my
> perception and from what I'm seeing with GNOME 3.2, little progress is
> showing up in my environment.
>
>
> On 10/13/11, Piñeiro <apinheiro igalia com> wrote:
> > On 10/13/2011 08:08 AM, Hammer Attila wrote:
> > > Hy,
> >
> > Hi, GNOME-Shell 3.2 support with Orca is limited, but about your
> > specific concerns.
> >
> > > I tryed GNOME Shell 3.2, but I perhaps I using wrong with new GNOME
> > > Shell with Orca.
> > > If I press for example Alt+F1 key, I only hear "Owerview" text if I
> > > remember right, and not see any menu items, for example I impossible
> > > to access awailable applications.
> >
> > When you go to the Overview, you don't get initially a list of
> > applications, as the initial view is Windows. You could do the next:
> >   * Start to write: a filtered list is started to be created. You can
> > use up and down arrows to navigate
> >   * Ctrl+Alt+Tab: in order to move to a different panel, ane select
> > applications. This open "all applications", and you can navigate as before.
> >
> > > If I try mowing panels to use for example activities part and
> > > navigating panel components with TAB or SHIFT+TAB key, I only hear
> > > "Panel" text with lot of objects.
> >
> > Panel requires more work:
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634016
> >
> > Specifically related with roles:
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648598
> >
> > > I doing anything wrong? Sorry the possible beginner questions, but I
> > > not known GNOME shell usage tips and tricks for a11y related, but very
> > > interesting the new interface.
> >
> > GNOME Shell ATK (so Orca) support is still in progress.
> >
> > > I looked GNOME Shell 3.2 version with my Ubuntu Oneiric system,
> > > perhaps other distributions this type issues is not happening? Anybody
> > > using GNOME Shell with Orca 3.2?
> >
> > The user experience with be similar in other distro.
> >
> > Thanks for testing.
> >
> > BR
> >
> > --
> > Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias
> >
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Chair, Open Accessibility       janina a11y org 
Linux Foundation                http://a11y.org

Chair, Protocols & Formats
Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
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