Re: [orca-list] Website layouts and orca

["Albert Sten-Clanton" <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>]

One of my goals is to leave Windows behind.  I'm also partial to presenting
the computer screen to us as much as possible the way sighted people see it,
for the reasons others have given.  

That said, I've found the JAWS use of virtual buffers easier in some
instances.  When doing my food shopping on peapod.com, it's much easier to
arrow down through all the fields, inserting the number I want of a given
item, than it is to do the same thing using Orca.  Also, when using Orca I
have often enough thought I was at the point where I could follow a link
when I was not, and had to tab or back-tab to get to the right place.  (The
keys for visited and unvisited links can put me in unpredictable places.)
I'm not urging that Orca use virtual buffering, but I do suggest that it can
make sense at times.

Al



-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:12 PM
To: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Website layouts and orca

I know in JAWS you can review the web page without using the virtual buffer.
FS also added an option to present the formating more like what a sighted
person sees and more like how the page is actually laid out. I don't recall
the name of this option. Apparently NVDA also allows you to configure this.
I'm just pointing out these options for those who may not know about them.
I'm not trying to say any one approach is better than any other.

On 21/06/11 15:48, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> I agree with you 100%. After using Orca with Firefox I'd take it any 
> day over the virtual buffer crap that the Windows screen readers use.
> The way web pages are presented to a VI user on Windows makes it 
> impossible to communicate with a sighted person looking at that page 
> because the virtual buffers reformat everything so that nothing is in 
> its original context any more. It makes it doubly hard for a web 
> designer such as myself, because I can never actually see how my pages 
> are laid out when Jaws etc reformats it to suit their idea of 
> accessibility rather than giving it to me as it is designed. Orca 
> presents it to me exactly as it is shown on screen in Firefox which is 
> something I personally like.
>
> On 6/21/11, Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com> wrote:
> > Yes and I much prefer this approach used in Orca over the Windows 
> > screen reader and their virtual buffer crap.  I generally hate single 
> > links on separate lines and the linearization of tables.  It is so 
> > much more efficient to navigate tables with table navigation keys; 
> > yes, tables can be navigated with the windows screen readers now but 
> > still.  Also, another big deal for me is when trying to relate web 
> > content with a sighted person, it's disasterous with a windows screen 
> > reader.  the person never sees what we are looking at in our unreal 
> > virtual buffer and when a sighted person tries to tell you where 
> > something is on a website, we can never seem to find it again due to 
> > the differences in presentation and layout.  The xsl sheet sounds 
> > like an interesting solution for those situations where a 
> > speciallized layout could be of some help.
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