Re: [orca-list] Website layouts and orca

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

Yes and I much prefer this approach used in Orca over the Windows
screen reader and their virtual buffer crap.  I generally hate single
links on separate lines and the linearization of tables.  It is so
much more efficient to navigate tables with table navigation keys;
yes, tables can be navigated with the windows screen readers now but
still.  Also, another big deal for me is when trying to relate web
content with a sighted person, it's disasterous with a windows screen
reader.  the person never sees what we are looking at in our unreal
virtual buffer and when a sighted person tries to tell you where
something is on a website, we can never seem to find it again due to
the differences in presentation and layout.  The xsl sheet sounds like
an interesting solution for those situations where a speciallized
layout could be of some help.

On 6/21/11, Thomas Ward <thomasward1978 gmail com> wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> As you discovered Orca reads the web page as it is displayed on screen
> rather than reformatting them as the Windows screen readers do. Its
> really not that difficult once you get use to it.
>
> For instance, if you have a table you can simply use the left and
> right arrow keys to move from column to column or row by row.
>
> To give you an example of what I mean in gmail, which I'm using right
> now, there are a number of buttons at the top of the e-mail message
> such as Reply, Reply to All, Print, and Delete. Since these buttons
> are all in a row from left to right all I have to do is first use the
> up or down arrow keys to locate that row of buttons, and then once I'm
> on it use the left and right arrow keys to cycle through the buttons
> in that row. Once I find the one I want i press enter to activate it.
>
> The same thing applies to a table of links. On my website I have a
> header on every ppage containing a table of links like Home, News,
> Products, etc. All you have to do with Orca is up or down arrow
> through the rows of links until you find the correct row and then use
> the left or right arrow to move through the columns until you locate
> the one you want. Its no biggy.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On 6/21/11, Andy B. <sonfire11 gmail com> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I am sort of confused. I do web development for a living. I recently
> > migrated to ubuntu permanently because of a Windows crash that wiped my
> > drive out totally. I am used to the way that JAWS, WE, NVDA and all of
> > the other types of windows based screen readers lay out the pages
> > virtual buffer. In this case, by default they are set to display a
> > single element on a line by itself. Examples are individual links, table
> > columns flash players, headings and so on.
> >
> > It looks like orca lays it out just like a sighted person were to see
> > it. The problem is that it gets very confusing to find/get to different
> > places on the page and it is hard to understand the layout of the page
> > itself. An example is in drupal 7. When signed in as super user (user1),
> > and looking at the homepage of a stock install, it looks like you have
> > headings on the left side of the screen and links on the right side of
> > the screen that are somehow related to the headings on the left. Like I
> > said, I am used to being fed a page with individual elements on a line
> > by itself. Does anyone have any ideas how I can get over this and be
> > able to get around on pages just as fast?
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