Re: [orca-list] Website layouts and orca



Well, first, if I bring up a web page in say IE and using JFW 12, I can
use insert+z to turn off the virtual cursor and then using the PC
cursor, with the command caps-lock+semicolon I can review the screen.
This isn't perfect, and isn't as good as reviewing the actual layout
with Orca, but I can see the unvirtualized web page.

Second, I can go into the JAWS configuration settings and in the
document presentation mode, I can change the layout from the simple
layout to the screen layout. If I knew how to paste from Win 7 running
in a VMWare session under Vinux, I'd paste the corresponding help text
for this setting, but it specifically tries to present the web page the
same way it would be presented to a sighted user. Again, it's not
perfect, but it does help get a feel for how the screen is actually laid
out.

On 21/06/11 17:26, mattias wrote:
No you cant
Or have I missed something?
I have used jaws many years but..

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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Website layouts and orca


I know in JAWS you can review the web page without using the virtual buffer.
FS also added an option to present the formating more like what a sighted
person sees and more like how the page is actually laid out. I don't recall
the name of this option. Apparently NVDA also allows you to configure this.
I'm just pointing out these options for those who may not know about them.
I'm not trying to say any one approach is better than any other.

On 21/06/11 15:48, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Steve,

I agree with you 100%. After using Orca with Firefox I'd take it any 
day over the virtual buffer crap that the Windows screen readers use. 
The way web pages are presented to a VI user on Windows makes it 
impossible to communicate with a sighted person looking at that page 
because the virtual buffers reformat everything so that nothing is in 
its original context any more. It makes it doubly hard for a web 
designer such as myself, because I can never actually see how my pages 
are laid out when Jaws etc reformats it to suit their idea of 
accessibility rather than giving it to me as it is designed. Orca 
presents it to me exactly as it is shown on screen in Firefox which is 
something I personally like.

On 6/21/11, Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com> wrote:
Yes and I much prefer this approach used in Orca over the Windows 
screen reader and their virtual buffer crap.  I generally hate single 
links on separate lines and the linearization of tables.  It is so 
much more efficient to navigate tables with table navigation keys; 
yes, tables can be navigated with the windows screen readers now but 
still.  Also, another big deal for me is when trying to relate web 
content with a sighted person, it's disasterous with a windows screen 
reader.  the person never sees what we are looking at in our unreal 
virtual buffer and when a sighted person tries to tell you where 
something is on a website, we can never seem to find it again due to 
the differences in presentation and layout.  The xsl sheet sounds 
like an interesting solution for those situations where a 
speciallized layout could be of some help.
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