Re: [orca-list] Website layouts and orca

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

Well, first, if I bring up a web page in say IE and using JFW 12, I can
use insert+z to turn off the virtual cursor and then using the PC
cursor, with the command caps-lock+semicolon I can review the screen.
This isn't perfect, and isn't as good as reviewing the actual layout
with Orca, but I can see the unvirtualized web page.

Second, I can go into the JAWS configuration settings and in the
document presentation mode, I can change the layout from the simple
layout to the screen layout. If I knew how to paste from Win 7 running
in a VMWare session under Vinux, I'd paste the corresponding help text
for this setting, but it specifically tries to present the web page the
same way it would be presented to a sighted user. Again, it's not
perfect, but it does help get a feel for how the screen is actually laid
out.

On 21/06/11 17:26, mattias wrote:
> No you cant
> Or have I missed something?
> I have used jaws many years but..
>
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> I know in JAWS you can review the web page without using the virtual buffer.
> FS also added an option to present the formating more like what a sighted
> person sees and more like how the page is actually laid out. I don't recall
> the name of this option. Apparently NVDA also allows you to configure this.
> I'm just pointing out these options for those who may not know about them.
> I'm not trying to say any one approach is better than any other.
>
> On 21/06/11 15:48, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I agree with you 100%. After using Orca with Firefox I'd take it any 
> > day over the virtual buffer crap that the Windows screen readers use. 
> > The way web pages are presented to a VI user on Windows makes it 
> > impossible to communicate with a sighted person looking at that page 
> > because the virtual buffers reformat everything so that nothing is in 
> > its original context any more. It makes it doubly hard for a web 
> > designer such as myself, because I can never actually see how my pages 
> > are laid out when Jaws etc reformats it to suit their idea of 
> > accessibility rather than giving it to me as it is designed. Orca 
> > presents it to me exactly as it is shown on screen in Firefox which is 
> > something I personally like.
> >
> > On 6/21/11, Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com> wrote:
> > > Yes and I much prefer this approach used in Orca over the Windows 
> > > screen reader and their virtual buffer crap.  I generally hate single 
> > > links on separate lines and the linearization of tables.  It is so 
> > > much more efficient to navigate tables with table navigation keys; 
> > > yes, tables can be navigated with the windows screen readers now but 
> > > still.  Also, another big deal for me is when trying to relate web 
> > > content with a sighted person, it's disasterous with a windows screen 
> > > reader.  the person never sees what we are looking at in our unreal 
> > > virtual buffer and when a sighted person tries to tell you where 
> > > something is on a website, we can never seem to find it again due to 
> > > the differences in presentation and layout.  The xsl sheet sounds 
> > > like an interesting solution for those situations where a 
> > > speciallized layout could be of some help.
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Christopher (CJ)
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