Re: [orca-list] Website layouts and orca

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I know in JAWS you can review the web page without using the virtual
buffer. FS also added an option to present the formating more like what
a sighted person sees and more like how the page is actually laid out. I
don't recall the name of this option. Apparently NVDA also allows you to
configure this. I'm just pointing out these options for those who may
not know about them. I'm not trying to say any one approach is better
than any other.

On 21/06/11 15:48, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> I agree with you 100%. After using Orca with Firefox I'd take it any
> day over the virtual buffer crap that the Windows screen readers use.
> The way web pages are presented to a VI user on Windows makes it
> impossible to communicate with a sighted person looking at that page
> because the virtual buffers reformat everything so that nothing is in
> its original context any more. It makes it doubly hard for a web
> designer such as myself, because I can never actually see how my pages
> are laid out when Jaws etc reformats it to suit their idea of
> accessibility rather than giving it to me as it is designed. Orca
> presents it to me exactly as it is shown on screen in Firefox which is
> something I personally like.
>
> On 6/21/11, Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com> wrote:
> > Yes and I much prefer this approach used in Orca over the Windows
> > screen reader and their virtual buffer crap.  I generally hate single
> > links on separate lines and the linearization of tables.  It is so
> > much more efficient to navigate tables with table navigation keys;
> > yes, tables can be navigated with the windows screen readers now but
> > still.  Also, another big deal for me is when trying to relate web
> > content with a sighted person, it's disasterous with a windows screen
> > reader.  the person never sees what we are looking at in our unreal
> > virtual buffer and when a sighted person tries to tell you where
> > something is on a website, we can never seem to find it again due to
> > the differences in presentation and layout.  The xsl sheet sounds like
> > an interesting solution for those situations where a speciallized
> > layout could be of some help.
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Christopher (CJ)
chaltain gmail com