Re: [orca-list] Disabled Controls

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

I can't think of an efficient way for the WhereamI key to identify
skipped items; I sure wish there were an easy way to allow for flat
reviewing of menu items.  See, if the whereamI key was used or if the
positioning was turned on in the verbosity, you could tell that an
item was skipped and then use the flat review to read up a line or two
to see what the items were.  Plus if flat review of menu items were
possible, one could confirm the spelling of an item.  I've run into a
situation a time or two where I couldn't understand the speech fully
and wanted to spell out the word to be sure.  In cases like this, I
could use flat review to go over the word letter by letter, were it
possible to flat review that area.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:09:32AM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hi Jared.
>
> On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 09:39 -0400, Jared Wright wrote:
> > behavior if possible. As of now, navigating anything by keyboard, be it 
> > a self-contained dialogue or a menu or whatever, skips over disabled 
> > items.
>
> If you're just tabbing/arrowing around, that is the same behavior as is
> seen without using Orca. Like Luke suggested, I believe that's a
> GNOME/Gtk+ thing.
>
> As for accessing these items in Orca: 
>
> In a dialog box you should find that you can flat review to them. I can
> anyway. Ideally, Orca should indicate when an item you flat review to is
> unavailable/"grayed". It does not. Making that change shouldn't be hard
> to do.
>
> Orca's flat review doesn't let you review menus. I can't recall why
> *exactly*, but I think Will had said that there was some problem which
> prevented us from doing so. I'll investigate that later. In the
> meantime, if you use whereAmI in a menu it should tell you the item
> number you're on and the item count. So if a menu is small (e.g. the
> Edit menu in gnome-terminal), you can compare them item count Orca
> reports (six) with the number of items you can arrow to (four) and
> conclude that some items (two) are unavailable. Now we just need to
> figure out how to present those items to you. Perhaps a detailed where
> Am I?? I'm open to suggestions....
>
> HTH.
> --joanie
>
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