Re: [orca-list] Tables in Oo Writer

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

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Hi Joanie,

Well, I set up a document similar to yours and ran into some very
interesting finds.  Let me see if I can keep it brief enough:).

First, following your steps, I could not get all the column headers to
speak.  When I placed the cursor in the r1c1 (Sunday) cell, I pressed
insert-r to set the column header to row 1; that was spoken.  But
tabbing around in the rows under that title row did not speak any
titles.  When I turned structural nav on, I could then hear Sunday and
Monday spoken but none others while arrowing back and forth with
shift-alt left and right arrow keys.  It would speak the headers when
I arrived on the Monday or Sunday row but as soon as I hit Tuesday and
days after that, I just heard the cell contents and row/column
numbers.  Here is where it gets strange.  I later tried marking the
dynamic header while the cursor was sitting on the Wednesday cell.
Now when I would nav around in structural mode, I would hear Tuesday
and Wednesday but none others.  Then I thought I'd go and manually
highlight all seven cells in the top row and then hit insert-r to set
the dynamic header.  Then using structural nav keys, I could move left
to right and back and hear all the day titles.  Is this strange or
what.  In all cases, I could not get the titles to speak while tabbing
with structural nav on or off.

For the record, I'm using Orca pulled from this Sunday morning (June
21st) and OpenOffice version is 2.3.0 build 2.3.0.1 from Dropline
Gnome project.  Dunno if the Oo version might be causing the
difference or not.  The only other thing I messed with was while
defining the table there was a checkbox for header and I turned it
on.  I don't know if that can be turned off in the future without
rebuilding the table.  I couldn't find a way before.

Does this mess make any sense? <smile>

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:36:15PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey Steve.
>
> Thanks for testing!
>
> > I have a document with 12 rows and 3 columns.  The top row has titles
> > like "Item", "My Price", and "Your Price".  Now if I go down a few
> > rows and use the new structural nav keys to move left and right, I can
> > only hear the headers spoken for the first two columns; the third
> > column header is never spoken.
>
> Hmmm. That's odd. I just tried it with one of my sample documents and
> things worked as expected. (Isn't that always how it goes?) So let me
> try to describe my document and what I'm doing and see if we can figure
> out the differences.
>
> My document is a sample calendar for one month. There are a couple of
> lines of text above and below the table. The table itself has seven
> columns, one for each day of the week. The first row has "Sun", "Mon",
> "Tue" and so on. In the cells below, are numeric dates.
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> 1. Arrowed into the first row (i.e. the row with the day names which I
> want to be treated as headers).
>
> 2. Pressed Orca + R. Orca announces that the dynamic column headers are
> set for row 1.
>
> 3. I arrowed down into one of the rows with numeric dates and pressed
> Tab and Shift+Tab to move from cell to cell (i.e. not using structural
> navigation). Orca announces the "Sun", "Mon", etc. as appropriate for
> the new column as I move left to right or right to left. If I move up or
> down (i.e. with plain arrow keys) column headers are not announced
> because I have not changed columns.
>
> 4. I pressed Orca + Z to turn on structural navigation. (Orca confirmed
> it had been toggled on.)
>
> 5. I used Orca + Shift + the arrow keys to move around. As I did, Orca
> spoke the days of the week as I moved left or right; not when I moved up
> or down.
>
> 6. Both with tabbing and with structural navigation, I was able to move
> to all of the edges of the table and have the header spoken as
> appropriate.
>
> So.... What is different about your table and/or the commands you're
> using? If we seem to be doing the same thing but getting different
> results, it would be awesome if you could attach the offending table and
> a full debug.out to a new bug. Thanks!
>
> > This seems to happen whether I
> > predefined the dynamic headers with Orca or not.  
>
> This part puzzles me. If you have not predefined the dynamic headers,
> Orca should not be speaking them because it should not have any idea
> where or what they are. <smile> I can confirm that we are not speaking
> headers in my sample case until I have set them. Also, if I later clear
> them (with Orca + R twice quickly), Orca stops announcing the headers.
> If you're always getting headers spoken even though you haven't defined
> them, please file a new bug with the table and debug.out.
>
> > that I'm using.  I thought one might need to somehow define the table
> > row in question to be a header or something.
>
> You do. See my step #2 above.
>
> I hope this helps. Let us know.
> --Joanie
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