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Re: [orca-list] Cursor Tracking, Orca, and Braille

Ah, yes, I do remember an option for moving the window in brltty, though
what I saw was a configuration setting, and not a key toggle. I think it's
in the preferences menu in brltty. I'm going to try that. Toggling cursor
tracking in brltty doesn't seem to make any changes when using Orca.

Teresa
----- Original Message ----- From: "John covici" <covici ccs covici com> 
To: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>
Cc: <covici ccs covici com>; "Teresa Cochran" <pipistrelle cox net>; <orca-list gnome org> 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Cursor Tracking, Orca, and Braille



What I do know is that on my Braillex Elba there is a switch
(simulated) which causes Brltty to move the cursor when the window is
moved.  I don't know if this has been implemented for other displays.

on Monday 06/01/2009 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM) wrote
> Hi John:
>
> I think what might be nice is a way to have BrlTTY synthesize keyboard
> navigation keys (e.g., arrow, page up/down, and tab) so the user does
> not have to move their hands from the braille display in order to
> navigate content.
>
> I started looking at this again about a month ago with Samual Thibault,
> and I believe the answer is to use xbrlapi in conjunction with brltty.
> The idea is that xbrlapi would interpret commands on the braille display
> and would then synthesize events for you.  I'm not sure my braille
> display has enough buttons to let me generate arrow/page/tab keys, > though. 
>
> If someone has been successful using xbrlapi to do this kind of thing,
> please let us know.
>
> Will
>
> On 05/30/09 15:31, John covici wrote:
> > Using Brltty, you should be able to track the cursor, depending on the
> > display, put Brltty in learn mode and you should find a key
> > combination to follow the cursor.
> >
> > on Friday 05/29/2009 Teresa Cochran(pipistrelle cox net) wrote
> > > Thanks, Will. I've tried to use the arrow emulation, but it > > doesn't > > > work. I'd love to, though, especially considering the way columns > > are > > > read (or not read) on web pages using flat review.. i.e. I have > > to read > > > straight across the width of the screen, and that's a tad > > confusing. 
> >   >
> >   >  I'll follow this thread with interest, and thanks again.
> >   >
> >   >  Teresa
> >   >
> >   >  On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 08:32 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
> >   >  >  Hi Teresa:
> >   >  >
> > > > Aha - so, it sounds like what you're doing is using the flat > > review > > > > commands to navigate the content. The flat review will only > > review the 
> >   >  >  visible text on the window.
> >   >  >
> > > > Orca's flat review feature was not designed as the primary > > operating > > > > mode for Orca. Instead, the focus tracking mode is the > > preferred (and > > > > default) mode. With the the focus tracking mode, you navigate > > an > > > > application as any user would -- you'd use the built in > > keyboard > > > > navigation techniques for the application. So, for Firefox, > > you'd use > > > > the arrow keys, page up/down keys, the built-in 'find' > > mechanism of 
> >   >  >  Firefox, etc.
> >   >  >
> > > > BrlTTY apparently has some features to allow you to emulate > > keyboard > > > > keystrokes from the braille device itself, but I've never been > > quite > > > > able to figure out exactly how to make it work. I came pretty > > close 
> >   >  >  recently, but never got there fully.
> >   >  >
> > > > If someone on this list has some tips for how people can use > > their > > > > braille display to arrow and page around the content, please > > let us > > > > know. We can try to document it on the WIKI. In addition, if > > there is > > > > something Orca is currently doing to prevent you from doing > > this, 
> >   >  >  please also let us know and we can try to enable it.
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  Will
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  On May 28, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> >   >  >
> >   >  >  >  Hi, will,
> >   >  >  >
> > > > > I'm using a Braille Lite 40, and I'm reading with the > > advance bars. I > > > > > can't go past the bottom of the window, and sometimes I > > just have to 
> >   >  >  >  use
> > > > > the cursor-routing keys above the display characters. > > However, when I > > > > > press the bar to advance, I hit the tool bar at the top of > > the window, > > > > > and the text does not continue. It repeats the previous > > screen of text. 
> >   >  >  >
> > > > > I've sometimes successfully routed the cursor, then pressed > > numpad 
> >   >  >  >  minus
> > > > > to route the mouse pointer. This doesn't always work, and > > it also means > > > > > navigating past the toolbar, address bar, and other window > > objects 
> >   >  >  >  before I get to the text.
> >   >  >  >
> >   >  >  >  Thanks,
> >   >  >  >  Teresa
> >   >  >  >
> >   >  >  >  On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:51 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
> >   >  >  >>  Hi Teresa:
> >   >  >  >>
> > > > >> How are you navigating the web pages (i.e., what physical > > action on 
> >   >  >  >>  what
> >   >  >  >>  device are you performing)?
> >   >  >  >>
> >   >  >  >>  Will
> >   >  >  >>
> >   >  >  >>  Teresa Cochran wrote:
> >   >  >  >>>  Hello, folk,
> >   >  >  >>>
> > > > >>> I'm attempting to read web pages in firefox with Braille > > and Orca. It > > > > >>> seems the Braille tracks the mouse pointer. Is there any > > way to have 
> >   >  >  >>>  it
> > > > >>> track the caret? If not, how can I scroll past the bottom > > of the 
> >   >  >  >>>  window
> >   >  >  >>>  or scroll the page down using Braille?
> >   >  >  >>>
> >   >  >  >>>  thanks,
> >   >  >  >>>  Teresa
> >   >  >  >>>
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        John Covici
        covici ccs covici com



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