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Re: [orca-list] Cursor Tracking, Orca, and Braille

What I do know is that on my Braillex Elba there is a switch
(simulated) which causes Brltty to move the cursor when the window is
moved.  I don't know if this has been implemented for other displays.

on Monday 06/01/2009 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM) wrote

Hi John:

I think what might be nice is a way to have BrlTTY synthesize keyboard 
navigation keys (e.g., arrow, page up/down, and tab) so the user does 
not have to move their hands from the braille display in order to 
navigate content.

I started looking at this again about a month ago with Samual Thibault, 
and I believe the answer is to use xbrlapi in conjunction with brltty. 
The idea is that xbrlapi would interpret commands on the braille display 
and would then synthesize events for you.  I'm not sure my braille 
display has enough buttons to let me generate arrow/page/tab keys, though.

If someone has been successful using xbrlapi to do this kind of thing, 
please let us know.

Will

On 05/30/09 15:31, John covici wrote:

Using Brltty, you should be able to track the cursor, depending on the
display, put Brltty in learn mode and you should find a key
combination to follow the cursor.

on Friday 05/29/2009 Teresa Cochran(pipistrelle cox net) wrote
  >  Thanks, Will. I've tried to use the arrow emulation, but it doesn't
  >  work. I'd love to, though, especially considering the way columns are
  >  read (or not read) on web pages using flat review.. i.e. I have to read
  >  straight across the width of the screen, and that's a tad confusing.
  >
  >  I'll follow this thread with interest, and thanks again.
  >
  >  Teresa
  >
  >  On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 08:32 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
  >  >  Hi Teresa:
  >  >
  >  >  Aha - so, it sounds like what you're doing is using the flat review
  >  >  commands to navigate the content.  The flat review will only review the
  >  >  visible text on the window.
  >  >
  >  >  Orca's flat review feature was not designed as the primary operating
  >  >  mode for Orca.  Instead, the focus tracking mode is the preferred (and
  >  >  default) mode.  With the the focus tracking mode, you navigate an
  >  >  application as any user would -- you'd use the built in keyboard
  >  >  navigation techniques for the application.  So, for Firefox, you'd use
  >  >  the arrow keys, page up/down keys, the built-in 'find' mechanism of
  >  >  Firefox, etc.
  >  >
  >  >  BrlTTY apparently has some features to allow you to emulate keyboard
  >  >  keystrokes from the braille device itself, but I've never been quite
  >  >  able to figure out exactly how to make it work.  I came pretty close
  >  >  recently, but never got there fully.
  >  >
  >  >  If someone on this list has some tips for how people can use their
  >  >  braille display to arrow and page around the content, please let us
  >  >  know.  We can try to document it on the WIKI.  In addition, if there is
  >  >  something Orca is currently doing to prevent you from doing this,
  >  >  please also let us know and we can try to enable it.
  >  >
  >  >  Will
  >  >
  >  >  On May 28, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
  >  >
  >  >  >  Hi, will,
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  I'm using a Braille Lite 40, and I'm reading with the advance bars. I
  >  >  >  can't go past the bottom of the window, and sometimes I just have to
  >  >  >  use
  >  >  >  the cursor-routing keys above the display characters. However, when I
  >  >  >  press the bar to advance, I hit the tool bar at the top of the window,
  >  >  >  and the text does not continue. It repeats the previous screen of text.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  I've sometimes successfully routed the cursor, then pressed numpad
  >  >  >  minus
  >  >  >  to route the mouse pointer. This doesn't always work, and it also means
  >  >  >  navigating past the toolbar, address bar, and other window objects
  >  >  >  before I get to the text.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  Thanks,
  >  >  >  Teresa
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:51 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
  >  >  >>  Hi Teresa:
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>  How are you navigating the web pages (i.e., what physical action on
  >  >  >>  what
  >  >  >>  device are you performing)?
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>  Will
  >  >  >>
  >  >  >>  Teresa Cochran wrote:
  >  >  >>>  Hello, folk,
  >  >  >>>
  >  >  >>>  I'm attempting to read web pages in firefox with Braille and Orca. It
  >  >  >>>  seems the Braille tracks the mouse pointer. Is there any way to have
  >  >  >>>  it
  >  >  >>>  track the caret? If not, how can I scroll past the bottom of the
  >  >  >>>  window
  >  >  >>>  or scroll the page down using Braille?
  >  >  >>>
  >  >  >>>  thanks,
  >  >  >>>  Teresa
  >  >  >>>
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