Re: [orca-list] Developing GTK applications (in Python) as a blind developer

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

Thanks Jon!

Will

Jon wrote:
> ok two initial bugs for glade 3 filed here:
>
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524545
> (need non-visual way of placing widgets on canvas)
>
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524541
> (property/signal fields not associated with labels)
>
> and as soon as we see posative feedback on those we can move to more 
> accessibility/usability bugs.
>
> -Jon
> On Wed 26/03/2008 at 23:05:49, krishnakant Mane wrote:
> > hello.
> > I second and third and ... wil's thoughts.
> > add to it, I have been writing some pygtk code and I find it not so
> > difficult to remember widgets.  but I admit that people using vb on
> > windows and jaws screen reader indeed create beautiful interfaces and
> > I have done it myself.
> > I also did some research on how interraction should happen between an
> > Integrated Development Environment and a blind person using screen
> > reader and found that even jaws was having some shortcomings.  so this
> > is free software and we can get together and work this out as a
> > community.
> > by the way wil, I did not get reply for your email.  has it reached this time?
> > happy hacking.
> > Krishnakant.
> > On 26/03/2008, Willie Walker <William Walker sun com> wrote:
> > > Jon:
> > >
> > > This is definitely a good thing to raise with the Glade folks. I think
> > > the best thing to do would be to log bugs with the 'glade3' component at
> > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org, with one problem per bug. Feel free to add
> > > me to the CC list and also add 'accessibility' as a keyword for easier
> > > tracking.
> > >
> > > If the bugs come as constructive reports from a community member such as
> > > yourself, I hope they will be positively received. It's also a good
> > > time in the GNOME 2.24 cycle to raise the awareness.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Will
> > >
> > > Jon wrote:
> > > > Indeed, i have been doing the same thing, trying to work out how to work
> > > > glade-2 or glade-3.
> > > >
> > > > The ironic thing is that the accessibility tab has a wheel-chair
> > > > picture, but there is no associated text.
> > > >
> > > > Further more, the property section, the fields are reasonably ok, but
> > > > none of the associated property labels are read. I am assuming that they
> > > > are not using the "labelled-by" or "label-for" tags that they suggest
> > > > other people to use.
> > > >
> > > > yes, one could edit glade files by hand, or have them created using text
> > > > transforms, but this relies on being able to remember gtk widget 
> names,
> > > > properties and list of associated signals.
> > > >
> > > > it would be good if we could have an accessible version of glade-3.
> > > >
> > > > -Jon
> > > > On Wed 26/03/2008 at 12:40:03, Mario Lang wrote:
> > > > > Hi.
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to write myself a bit of GTK code in Python.
> > > > > I am blind, so I am going to use the finally resulting app via Orca.
> > > > > The problem I seem to have is that most (or all?) good
> > > > > examples on how to develop a GTK app suggest to use Glade.
> > > > > While the glade description file is text, and in theory could be
> > > > > edited by hand, it seems like too complicated to do. But
> > > > > the glade-editor frontend is not really accessible to me.
> > > > > How do other blind developer deal with this?
> > > > > I see orca uses glade as well. Am I guessing right that
> > > > > this part of Orca is done by a sighted developer? If not, how
> > > > > do you cope with it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any suggestions would be very appreciated.
> > > > >
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