Re: [orca-list] Developing GTK applications (in Python) as a blind developer

["krishnakant Mane" <researchbase gmail com>]

just as a side note wil,
I am not aware about accessibility of orca with other ides like eclipse.
and by the way will it not be a good idea to have an arketecture for
scripting similar to jaws.  what I mean to say is the user need to
just name the script as per the application name and the configuration
settings load as per the user has set for that application.
all that should be needed is just to put the script in the scripts
folder and go.
further more, if some work is positively happening at the glade3 end,
then we can add new classes based on the script object which has what
we need to script orca for glade3.
happy hacking.
Kk

On 27/03/2008, Willie Walker <William Walker sun com> wrote:
> Thanks Jon!
>
> Will
>
> Jon wrote:
> > ok two initial bugs for glade 3 filed here:
> >
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524545
> > (need non-visual way of placing widgets on canvas)
> >
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524541
> > (property/signal fields not associated with labels)
> >
> > and as soon as we see posative feedback on those we can move to more
> > accessibility/usability bugs.
> >
> > -Jon
> > On Wed 26/03/2008 at 23:05:49, krishnakant Mane wrote:
> > > hello.
> > > I second and third and ... wil's thoughts.
> > > add to it, I have been writing some pygtk code and I find it not so
> > > difficult to remember widgets. but I admit that people using vb on
> > > windows and jaws screen reader indeed create beautiful interfaces and
> > > I have done it myself.
> > > I also did some research on how interraction should happen between an
> > > Integrated Development Environment and a blind person using screen
> > > reader and found that even jaws was having some shortcomings. so this
> > > is free software and we can get together and work this out as a
> > > community.
> > > by the way wil, I did not get reply for your email. has it reached this
> time?
> > > happy hacking.
> > > Krishnakant.
> > > On 26/03/2008, Willie Walker <William Walker sun com> wrote:
> > > > Jon:
> > > >
> > > > This is definitely a good thing to raise with the Glade folks. I think
> > > > the best thing to do would be to log bugs with the 'glade3' component at
> > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org, with one problem per bug. Feel free to add
> > > > me to the CC list and also add 'accessibility' as a keyword for easier
> > > > tracking.
> > > >
> > > > If the bugs come as constructive reports from a community member such as
> > > > yourself, I hope they will be positively received. It's also a good
> > > > time in the GNOME 2.24 cycle to raise the awareness.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > > Jon wrote:
> > > > > Indeed, i have been doing the same thing, trying to work out how to
> work
> > > > > glade-2 or glade-3.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ironic thing is that the accessibility tab has a wheel-chair
> > > > > picture, but there is no associated text.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further more, the property section, the fields are reasonably ok, but
> > > > > none of the associated property labels are read. I am assuming that
> they
> > > > > are not using the "labelled-by" or "label-for" tags that they suggest
> > > > > other people to use.
> > > > >
> > > > > yes, one could edit glade files by hand, or have them created using
> text
> > > > > transforms, but this relies on being able to remember gtk widget
> > names,
> > > > > properties and list of associated signals.
> > > > >
> > > > > it would be good if we could have an accessible version of glade-3.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Jon
> > > > > On Wed 26/03/2008 at 12:40:03, Mario Lang wrote:
> > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I need to write myself a bit of GTK code in Python.
> > > > > > I am blind, so I am going to use the finally resulting app via Orca.
> > > > > > The problem I seem to have is that most (or all?) good
> > > > > > examples on how to develop a GTK app suggest to use Glade.
> > > > > > While the glade description file is text, and in theory could be
> > > > > > edited by hand, it seems like too complicated to do. But
> > > > > > the glade-editor frontend is not really accessible to me.
> > > > > > How do other blind developer deal with this?
> > > > > > I see orca uses glade as well. Am I guessing right that
> > > > > > this part of Orca is done by a sighted developer? If not, how
> > > > > > do you cope with it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions would be very appreciated.
> > > > > >
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