Re: [orca-list] Capital, Capital, Capital

[Steve Holmes <steve holmesgrown com>]

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I agree with you on these points.  My only other experiences with
speech dispatcher and espeak involved using Speakup plus speechd-up
and there I always had pitch changes with capital letters which is
strongly my preference.  I find verbalized capital letters to be very
annoying and inefficient.  I don't suppose it would matter all that
much if Orca does it or if the synth does it but as long as one can
configure the behavior., fine with me.  I don't know the difference
but When you move the real cursor around like within an editor, you
hear punctuation marks and pitch changes with shifted letters but with
Flat review, I do hear the capital like I said before plus we get all
punctuation marks.  which is a good thing.  Before those recent
patches, flat review did not speak the individual marks as had been
reported before.  I am now greatful for the increased verbosity of the
punctuation marks in both flat review and firefox reviewing.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 02:20:06PM -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
> Thanks Peter!  I see several related, but separate, problems here:
>
> 1) Orca should support verbalized punctuation. In the event the
>    TTS system supports the verbalization, Orca should provide the
>    option to let the user decide what they want to use: the
>    TTS system's implementation, Orca's implementation, or none.
>    http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520494
>
> 2) Orca should support verbalized capitalization.  In the event the
>    TTS system supports the verbalization, Orca should provide the
>    option to let the user decide what they want to use: the
>    TTS system's implementation, Orca's implementation, or none.
>    http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354459
>
> 3) The gnome-speech driver for eSpeak should expose verbalized
>    punctuation and/or verbalized capitalization from the synthesis
>    engine if the engine has the support.
>    http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523012
>
> 4) The gnome-speech parameters for exposing verbalized punctuation
>    and capitalization should be standardized by name, type, and
>    value.  (No bug number for this.  gnome-speech has always been
>    somewhat 'close to the metal' with respect to parameters.)
>
> 5) For some reason, it seems as though recent releases of eSpeak
>    are now defaulting verbalized capitalization.  The reason I'm
>    thinking this is that I don't recall things changing in the
>    Orca or gnome-speech modules that might have caused this to
>    occur.  Can you verify this?  I'm using eSpeak 1.31 19.Jan.08
>    and do not experience verbalized punctuation or capitals coming
>    from the gnome-speech espeak synthesis driver.  If this is the
>    case, the default for gnome-speech should be to turn the
>    verbalizations off to support the behavior that the driver has
>    been giving since its creation.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Will
>
> Peter VÃgner wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Willie Walker  wrote:
> > > Orca itself does not do verbalized capitalization (see
> > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354459), so this might be
> > > coming from speech dispatcher.
> >
> > Actually this capital is added by Espeak. If orca does not do character 
> > verbalization it-self this will be happening all the time see also this 
> > bug for additional details: 
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520494
> > Since patch in this bug entry fixes other problems I think we need to be 
> > able to tell espeak not to say capital when user wishes so. Perhaps this 
> > is already possible with Espeak Orca and speech-dispatcher should just 
> > make some  use of it.
> > Let's comment in those bug entries please so it won't be forgotten.
> >
> > Peter

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