Re: [orca-list] Capital, Capital, Capital

[Peter Vágner <peter v datagate sk>]

Hello,
As Jonathan says Espeak has not been changed in this regard recently. 
Also I guess nothing has been changed in speech-dispatcher. This started 
at the end of a january when Tomas Cerha fixed an issue where it was 
inpossible to get punctuation expanded while using flat review and 
moving by characters.
What Tomas did is that he stripped out extra Orca processing which was 
taking care of punctuation and character verbalization. About some 2 
weeks back I have reported the same issue in Gecko based apps and Tomas 
kindly provided similar patches for Gecko.py and Default.py. After 
including these 2 patches (the 1st one is already in gnome-2-22 and 
trunk of Orca) Espeak says "capital" before each capital letter passed 
to it. Prewiously all characters were processed by Orca so Espeak had no 
chance to do its job right. I am pointing this once more time this is 
all with speech-dispatcher only.

Now about why you are unable to replicate this with gnome-speech: simply 
because either in the gnome-speech it-self or somewhere in the 
gnomeSpeechFactory module of Orca there's one more character 
verbalization processing taking place.

So currently we are in such a state where speech-dispatcher backed and 
speech-dispatcher do no character and punctuation verbalization at all 
while gnomespeech backend and gnomespeech do the verbalization on its own.
Before including the patches from Tomas Cerha character and punctuation 
verbalization was happening twice in conjunction with gnome-speech: 1st 
occurence was in orca and the other one in gnomespeech backed or 
somewhere in the gnomespeech.
I know it is confusing like hell but I am unable to explain it better. I 
would be extremelly happy if anyone can try playing with both 
speech-dispatcher and gnome-speech and compare the results. According to 
the messages I have seen I am the only one who did such a comparison.

Peter


Willie Walker  wrote:
> Thanks All:
>
> Yes - I'm tired.  I don't know where I made the leap to gnome-speech
> from speech dispatcher.  It happened somewhere while processing the 1375
> e-mails that came in while I was at CSUN last week.  My apologies for
> that.  :-(
>
> So, this might indeed be happening somewhere between the speakCharacter
> support in the Orca speechdispatcher.py module and the speech dispatcher
> support.  I'm not really sure, and we probably could use Tomas' help
> chasing this down.
>
> Will
>
> Jonathan Duddington wrote:
> > On 17 Mar, Willie Walker<William Walker Sun COM>  wrote:
> >
> > > Do you know if there was a change in eSpeak to make it default to
> > > verbalized capitalizations?
> > Not recently.
> >
> > <say-as interpret-as="tts:char">B</say-as>
> >
> > Says
> > "Capital B"
> > also in eSpeak version 1.29, in Ubuntu 7.10
> >
> > Perhaps there is a recent change in how speech-dispatcher uses eSpeak.
> >
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