Re: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca involves too muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter)

[Jude DaShiell <jdashiel shellworld net>]

There's always one thing that gets left out of these instructions and it's 
what makes all of them so complex.  When to hit the f5 key?  A light probe 
scanning a user's cd light might help them tell when the CD stops working. 
The weird thing about ubuntu is when ubuntu starts spinning up the CDrom 
drive, it usually does so very very quietly.  This is more so say than 
Debian or Fedora or especially slackware.  This is installing different 
flavors of linux on a single machine, so things just may not be that 
simple.



On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Michael Whapples wrote:

> On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 15:16 +0200, Y P wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:11:36PM +0100, Darragh wrote:
> > > We must also remember that we are only a small minority of users of this distribution.  Remember, the 
> > > developers have already done a lot to assure we have fantastic access to this.  Let???s not push too far 
> > > though.
> >
> > IMHO any add-on who doesn't prohibit, disadvantage, disturb any action from
> > sighted persons but increases accessibiolity, simpleness, efficiency for the
> > minority we are, might be added asap.
> >
> > > I???m not saying your ideas aren???t very valid however, at this stage, access to the installation is very 
> > > possible.  Turn on the PC, wait for a few moments or listen for inactivity, press f5, pres 3 then enter 
> > > twice.  It???s really not rocket science.  Remember, we???ve come a long way in terms of access to Linux but 
> > > there???s still a lot to do.  Let???s prioritise our battles a bit more.  The most current thread in relation 
> > > to gnome speech is a perfect example.  Let???s work on getting access to the best sound output source as we 
> > > can.  Let developers consintrate on one issue at a time.
> >
> > Think always that there are newcomers to Gnu/Linux / to Orca, so IMHO all
> > that looks like an extra can be very useful for that portion of users.
> > What you need to consider though is, by adding this feature which may affect the experience for a few may 
> > distract from features needed by a greater audience. In the current situation, orca isn't perfect (I would 
> > say quite a way) and yes you might improve the very first experience, but once they try orca (the main thing, 
> > not booting an installer CD which only need be done once), they may get put off by the actual product. In 
> > short, would you prefer to have an easy install and a poor screen reader, or a pain to install but a better 
> > screen reader? Particularly when you consider installing is done once, there only seems to be one sensible 
> > conclusion.
>
> May be the suggested alterations may exist else where, and might be
> trivial to implement (although I would say current attempts on making
> systems beep as the boot prompt appears isn't perfect and even some of
> the authors say so, see my previous postings regarding this and how
> jupiter does it), then may be it won't distract too much. On the other
> hand, we are talking about Linux, if people want this feature and
> developers don't have time for it, then there is nothing stopping those
> wanting it implementing it (there is plenty of documentation, and
> examples, I mentioned the jupiter system as beeping at the boot prompt,
> and you mentioned a debian based installer which does, two examples
> there, I'm sure there are probably others).
> > Y P
>
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