Re: Orca A hotkey for starting / (was, Re: menu placement and setup GUI in Ubuntu)

[Peter Korn <Peter Korn Sun COM>]

Hi Al, Henrik, gang,

I think the ideal thing - which we never managed to figure out - is to 
have a keystroke at the gdm login screen invoke the screen reader (and 
other gesture invoke other AT), which is they carried over to the user's 
session.  When done this way, at-spi could be loaded for that session, 
and the same AT they launched carried over.

The trick is figuring out a way to communicate that information...  Of 
course, that same gesture would ideally be the desktop gesture as well.


Regards,

Peter Korn
Accessibility Architect,
Sun Microsystems, Inc.

> Hi Henrik,
>
> My thought is that the dynamic loading of at-spi shouldn't necessarily be 
> viewed as a prerequisite here.  Granted, the need to enable accessibility, 
> logout and then log back in is an inconvenience; However, we're going to 
> face that issue no matter how we start Orca.  In fact, the addition of a 
> hotkey would help to minimize that inconvenience for now.  For example, 
> consider if a user were starting  orca for the first time via the run 
> dialog. in that case, they would twice need to type alt-f2, followed by orca 
> and enter.  Once to let Orca enable accessibility, and again after logging 
> out and back in.  With the implementation of a hotkey, the process of 
> launching Orca twice could be reduced from around 12 keystrokes to 2.  This 
> example doesn't even account for additional keystrokes caused by typos, or 
> uncertainties due to not knowing one's location on the desktop, etc.
>
> --Al
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" <henrik ubuntu com>
> To: "Orca screen reader developers" <orca-list gnome org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Orca A hotkey for starting / (was, Re: menu placement and setup 
> GUI in Ubuntu)
>
>
>   
> > Al Puzzuoli wrote:
> >     
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Just wanted to respond to the portion of this message concerning the 
> > > process
> > > of starting Orca.  No specific mention was made of this , but I believe 
> > > it
> > > would be  very helpful if in addition to the other options discussed, the
> > > desktop were to include a default hotkey for launching the program.  The
> > > problem with all the other options is that to some extent, all of them
> > > require navigating in the dark so to speak, and involve an element of
> > > uncertainty.
> > > I've used similar hotkeys in Windows and Mac OS, and in my experience, 
> > > the
> > > ability to walk up to any machine, knowing that there will be a quick and
> > > dirty way to start the screen reader has been invaluable.
> > >
> > >
> > >       
> > I think that's a very good idea. However it has one important
> > prerequisite: that AT-SPI can be loaded dynamically. I think that is
> > something we should work towards anyway. What are the technical hurdles
> > for this again?
> >
> > On OSX when you activate screen reading from the standard user settings
> > area, it just starts speaking, without the need to activate a framework
> > first or log out. Whether they have the required libraries running all
> > the time or load them dynamically I don't know, but it 'just works'.
> >
> > I don't think we can have AT-SPI loaded by default on all machines ATM
> > because it will get in the way for too many people. It uses resources
> > and has stability issues (within itself, but mostly in the host
> > applications I guess).
> >
> > - Henrik
> >
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