Re: Commercial GTK+ development tool

[Olaf Frączyk <olaf navi pl>]

On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 20:19, Frank wrote:
> > But, AFAIK, Glade puts all widget creation in one file, and callbacks in
> > another. 
> XML, I repeat XML, not the source code generation.
> > I know there are plans to put them in separate files on per
> > window basis, but it is a future. But for bigger than small projects it
> > is a pain. It also doesn't have a possibly to edit the code. 
> This make no sense to me
What makes no sense?
1. Pain because of all widget creation in one file.
I think it is pain - how to reuse written interface in other projects.
It is poor manageable - 50 windows with 1000+ widgets - in one file. I
wouldn't do it.
2. Doesn't have a possibly to edit the code.
It just doesn't have integrated editor - you can't click on a widget and
get opened file with code for it. 
> > > Labviews - Very high end, but a great application under Linux.
> > If you think about LabView from NI, it is not for general type
> > programming. It is best for process automation in industry. And yes,
> > it's great, and I'm happy with it (but I have only Windows version), but
> > I wouldn't use it to produce desktop applications :)
> Labviews is a "Builder type" app that allows very high level generation
> of code.
But due it's nature it is not for general programming. I have made some
projects with labview, but as I said it is suited for machinery control.
E.g I've made industrial autoclav controlling software. But if I were to
write e.g. mail client I wouldn't choose it. Of course with labview it
would be possible, but it would be MUCH easier to do it in another
language than "G'.
> > > Before you start coding, look at the Borland site. They are going to
> > release BC++ Builder for Linux. But who knows when? ;)
> > Anyway it can be hard to compete with them. And I think more people will
> > use it than Kylix, because more unix people like C (this is only my
> > assumption). And maybe they learn a little from problems people had with
> > Kylix.
> Any Borland compiler is not even in the same class as the gcc compiler.  If
> Borland uses gcc as its compiler that would be great otherwise I would steer
> clear.
Agree.
> > Personally I would like to have a professional builder for gtk+.
> gtk+ is a widget set/windowing system of many different sets under linux.  KDE
> is another mature widget set/windowing system.  Having a "builder" is just a 
> way of saying something that is easy to use and isolates the details.  I am
> going to guess you don't get very much choice of the "look and feel" of a Builder
> produced application.  I am also going to guess that the amount of "control"
> you get from the gtk+ widget set using the XML generation of windows is going
> to be similar to a the amount of control you get of a Builder app.  Both instances
> you are going to have to delve into the internals of the system to do anything 
> out of the ordinary.  
Agree.


Regards,

Olaf