Re: Having external control panels in System settings

[Petko <pditchev gmail com>]

If TL;DR - please read the last sentence .



On 02/07/2012 01:12 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 01:07:35PM +0200, Petko wrote:
> > If no one keeps your design (except Mageia) - why insist on it ?
> Could you provide some concrete&  specific examples?
Ubuntu (ex: Ubuntu one , Additional drivers ) , Feodora I understand has 
an "Other" icon or tab , I tried to see about Debian and OpenSuse , but 
couldn't (yes , few examples , but major distros) . The idea is that 
there is no distro that would find the given settings pack sufficient . 
Yes G-C-C is not an essential tool and people can configure every new 
system component from its own panel , but that would be a wrong idea to 
have . System settings should be the place to set up the system (all of 
its major components) . That doesn't cope with having a fully integrated 
and sleek shell but that's the reality of it .

On 02/07/2012 01:40 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
>
> Petko, as much as I personally would like the panel to be extensible, 
I don't think this is the right way to address the problem. Jon and the 
rest of the CC team have done a tremendous amount of work on their own, 
it seems quite unfair to me and even disrespectful to tell them "you 
haven't done enough". They have done their best with their time, and I'm 
sure they've done quite a bit of sacrifice for us to get as far as we 
are overall with GNOME 3. We should all give them the credit for such an 
effort.
> So instead of telling them how wrong they are, how about you step up 
to do the work they cannot cover? (mind though, that up until now, none 
said that the extensibility was a time/resources problem)

 I haven't said they haven't done enough , the problem is the direction 
. I understand I said harsh words but this thread has gone on for way 
too long . I've read the previous one on the desktop mailing list as 
well . People threw and threw arguments , offered help , cooperation 
etc. There was a GNOME foundation member , some GNOME developers , 
probably some people from the distros , me as a casual user more or less 
associated with ubuntu . And in the end I haven't seen one developer 
(though I don't know the names of all of the developers) come up and say 
that there is the slightest chance they're not right about the closed 
system . I would also protect any precious bit of code that I put 
thought into , but with the right argumentation I would get the need for 
a compromise at some point .
10 times till now we should've switched to discussing solutions ,but 
we're still on denying the issues .



If there's a developer on GCC that wants to find a compromise solution - 
just go ahead and start a new thread for discussion and brainstorming on 
the issue ,there will be a lot of people that want to help (for the last 
15 mails there's been only repetition , and I bet I'm not the only one 
tired of it,so let's get something done) .


Petko