Re: Gnome Applets

[Andreas Wallberg <andreas wallberg gmail com>]

Hi all!

Is it because I am on an oldish version of Gnome Shell in F14 that I
have a small sys tray area next to the "me menu" with all these little
gizmos like pidgin, monitor icon, volume, bluetooth, networkmanager
etc? Is that the area and functionality we are talking about and is it
gone in newer iterations of Gnome Shell?

Moreover, Erick, I have to confess that I have little insight into the
overall development procedure and design of the shell so see this as
my personal rant.

The core devs have a very clear idea what the want to do and they seem
to rather implement a few aspects well for the first iteration of the
shell than compromise and break many things. Where the KDE team
focused on technology and frameworks, the Gnome guys are thinking hard
about use cases and design. They are clearly betting all their money
on design around a simple non-intrusive interface and the user
community will be the one to judge their success. It will likely leave
many of us screaming for more features.

What I am getting at is that I do think it is very important that us
users provide feedback early on, but that we can not expect all of our
ideas and reservations to be met with great enthusiasm at this point.
I think more and more that we should see GS 3.0 as the devs' vision of
desktop interaction and GS 3.1 as the version where more feedback has
been incorporated from the wider community. So hang in there and be
constructive and do not act as if lack of a particular feature is the
end of the world. After all, should it turn out to suck socks early
on, we can always switch to some other desktop environment for a
while. It is not like we do not have a choice these days ;-)

/Andreas

2010/12/14 Erick Pérez Castellanos <erick red gmail com>:
> Til now you didn't answer the main question here, and I think you're
> thinking too much as developer and less as users.
>
> First:
> Users don't really cares about what kind of design regularity or order
> follow the UI, users cares about if it works like they wants, and if they
> get what they want easily.
> Second:
> I think is a mistake take something back from the users. Gnome has a
> history, a community (not just of developers), people that use gnome 2.x and
> those people are use to gnome capabilities, if you remove something from
> their desktop environments something they use, that might become a deal
> breaker for a lot of them.
> Third:
> I might be looking in the wrong place but I don't see how to replace the
> "Specialized UI Enhancements and Crack" things (cause i 'm going to stop
> using the words applets), and as I said before, that would be missed. (Cause
> let me say I'm agree about the others fits into your actual design) Let me
> put it this way cause I might not be able to find the right words: There's a
> lot of things the users will find useful that aren't worthy of a full
> fledged application, tomboy, hamster-applet, currency-converter, countdown
> timers, translator, cpu/memory meters, TODO lists,  etc. And I don't see
> that design anywhere in Gnome Shell.
> And let me say this, isn't just me Apple (Mac OSX, iOS), Android, Windows 7,
> KDE Desktop, all those big players think the same.
>
> My point:
> There's two kind of user interactions, through full fledged application, and
> something more light, something really fast, running at the background, easy
> of access, and not blocking the attention or at least not disturbing the
> workflow of the desktop.
>
> One more thing:
> Allan, I read the Owen's post and that let a lot of thing without solution,
> even there's posts answering what he said there, exposing fair, valid
> points, and no answer back.
>
> Now, I'm not trying to be stubborn or something else, I just didn't see any
> of this clear, and resist to believe that a capable team as Gnome Team will
> miss something that obvious. I will keep looking, and I appreciate all the
> answer and burdens you're taking for my questioning.
>
> Erick
>
>
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