Re: Problems with the French team

["Christophe Merlet (RedFox)" <redfox redfoxcenter org>]

Christophe Fergeau a écrit :

> > > * it's ok for the maintainer to be really rude toward the work of new
> > > translators (I've seen people sending their first translation, and
> > > getting answers along the lines of "this is total crap" and things like
> > > that)
> > Can you send links ?
> > I always respect new translators, *always*.
>
> http://www.traduc.org/pipermail/gnomefr/2005-September/000586.html ? Ok,
> this isn't the best example since I think you were already pissed at
> Stéphane for other reasons, it wasn't his first post to the list. But I
> know some people who said they were discouraged by the way you talked to
> them when reviewing their translations. Since most of the proof-reading
> work was done through private mails between you and the translators, I
> don't have any proof except from what those people told me...

It's easy, ask to these people to send you their mails...

> > > * it's ok for the maintainer not to answer at all to people asking
> > > if/how all the translations will get in before a gnome release (we had
> > > ~20 translations pending a few weeks before gnome 2.14, and not much CVS
> > > activity)
> > This problem was not solved with my absence. Can be that the cause 
> > should be sought elsewhere…
>
> I think in the end, things were getting up to speed when Benoît started
> to trust proof-readings made by Jonathan, someone whose name I forgot
> (sorry :-/ ), and myself instead of only relying on translations he had
> time to proof-read... Since your illness was pretty unexpected, there
> was obviously a moment of total misorganization...

Benoit took my place 2 days after my hospitalization. And considering 
all the translations was in the list and that it had already a total 
access to the CVS, there was no disorganization.  Bad excuse!

It is precisely because the translation process is open and clearly 
defined, that my replacement is also easy!

> > I prefer people who work, has those which is satisfied to speak. Just my 
> > point of view.
> > The CVS is not the place or must fight battles of ego. There is thus one 
> > commiter at the same time. As a developer you can understand that.
> > The good translators have my confidence naturally.
>
> We are talking about coordinating a translation project... This is all
> about talking to people, and making sure everyone is as satisfied as
> possible, and making sure everything works as smoothly as possible. If
> you don't manage to do that, and instead have a behaviour of "I'm the
> boss, you must do my bid, and never contradict me", then something's
> wrong imo.

I'm not the boss, and you can contradict me.
It is not what you do? And it even appears that one can contradict me 
since years :)

> > It seems that you are unaware of that there is now a coordinator for 
> > documentation.  Then, why claims you that I refuse the improvements of 
> > process, since it is with pleasure that I install officially vertimus?
>
> I don't really have time to dig through all the mails were you
> constantly rejected (or even ignored) questions, or proposals to make
> the translation project more scalable.

I ask for years an application of follow-up of translation in an open 
way and easy way. It was developed, tested and it is now in service. 
It's not perfect, but usable.

It's not so bad. Others understood that it is not useful has anything to 
complain continuously and that by putting the hands at the paste, it is 
more productive.

> Let's not talk about the proposal
> of switching the outdated web site to a wiki,

The web site is not outdated. And I don't see the reason to put wiki, 
blog, Web 2.0, forums, <put here your buzz words>, aliased mails, php, 
python, perl, java, give multiple accounts.
The Web site give what is needed for translations, not for fun.

You want a wiki, you have one on live.gnome.org.
And the only thing that is useful, it is to recopy the contents of the 
gnomefr.traduc.org site.
More curious, is that those which had fun has to create these pages on 
live.gnome.org abstained from specifying that the official site is 
gnomefr.traduc.org.
Useless to come to complain now that the translators are confused!!


	Librement,
--
Christophe Merlet (RedFox)