Re: [gnome-cy] Accelerators, HTML

[Kevin Donnelly <kevin dotmon com>]

On Monday 17 March 2003 9:42 am, Dafydd Harries wrote:
> I gather I've been using that indirectly through Omnivore, which I have
> bee checking a lot.

No, it's not actually in there yet, but it will be once Telsa et al finalise 
it.

> "Directory" seems to always be "cyfeiriadur", but sometimes the word
> "folder" is used, and I've seen that translated into both "ffoldr" and
> "plygell". I think having both "directory" and "folder" is unneccessary
> and confusing in the first place, but between "ffoldr" and "plygell" I
> prefer the latter. Although the former might be marginally more obvious
> to those who have used other systems that use "folder", the latter
> sounds less artificial, and, well, more Welsh.

I agree.  But I have one question related to "cyfeiriadur" - if that is used 
for "directory", what do we use for "address-book"?  These are two quite 
different concepts.  A bit like the Termiadur using "cronfa ddata" (literally 
"data store") for "database", whereas this is actually a different concept 
from "datastore".

> "Workspace". This has been translated as "man gwaith" ("mannau gwaith"),
> "gweithfan" ("gweithfannau"), and "gweithle" ("gweithlefydd"). This
> deinitely needs standardising. Gweithle is a pre-existing term for
> "workplace". Apart from that distingushing factor, there isn't much
> advantage either way that I can see.

I like "gweithfan".

> "Username". The translation I've used is the cumbersome "enw defnyddiwr"
> which I don't think matches well with the original, since it seems to me
> to imply "user's name" whereas it isn't necessarily anything to do with
> the user's name at all. I suspect something based on "cyfrif" would be
> better.

Enw defnydd, defnydd-enw?

> "Remove". The current favourite is "Tynnu", which I don't feel works
> very well, since the obvious meaning is "pull". We could use "dileu" but
> there's probably a reason why the English doesn't use "delete" in the
> frist place.

Gwaredu?

> "Desktop". Currently, "bwrdd gwaith" is getting used. Literally, that's
> something like "work table". It doesn't help that "desktop" is used to
> mean more than one thing: what you can see on the screen, the whole
> Gnome environment, and what'r underneath all your windows. At any rate,
> I don't really like "bwrdd gwaith".

Nor do my kids, who can't understand where it has come from or what it really 
refers to. 

> "Widget". I think I got around this one by dodging it (i.e. providing a
> message that didn't utilize the widget concept), but once we start
> on GTK+ in earnest (over 1100 messages) I don't think that'll be viable
> in the longer term. It's been translated into "Widget" at least once.
> That sounds strange. "Widged", maybe? "Teclyn"? It would be nice to
> preserve the spirit of the original.

I think "teclyn" is terrific.

> "Terminal". There are two competing translations: "terfynydd" and
> "terfynell". "Terfynydd" makes me think "Terminator".

I agree (for what it's worth - all my comments should be in the light of the 
fact that I'm butting in to your language here :-).  That raises another 
point - animate versus inanimate.  To me, it seems that inanimate things 
should preferably have the ending -ydd, and animate things the ending -wr 
(unless where there is a history of using something else).  But "server" has 
been translated sometimes as "gwasanaethwr" which, apart from being long, 
implies a person to me rather tahn a thing - I think "gweinydd"  is much 
better.

> "Keybinding". I've been avoiding this one by using "ffurfosodiad
> bysellfwrdd".

Clwm bysell?  Bysell-glymiad?

Another question: is "configure" "ffurfweddu" or "ffurfosod"?  And is 
"application" "cymhwysiad" or "cymhwysiant"?

> "Shortcut", "Acclerator", "Mnemonic". Eek.

Rhoslyn has used "llwybrau byr" for shortcuts, and "bysell cyflymu" for 
"accelerator key".  Also "cyflymwr" for "accelerator" (but -see above- would 
this be better as "cyflymydd"?).  The Termiadur book has "cofrif" for 
"mnemonic", which actually only covers part of its meaning of "a verbal 
device to aid memory".

> "Button" and "Key". Currently these are both being translated as
> "botwm", which could lead to confusion.

 Rhoslyn has used "bysell" for "key", which fits in with "bysellfwrdd" for 
"keyboard".

> "Argument", currently "Ymresymiad", which sounds strange to me. (It
> makes me think "reasoning".)
>
> "Initialize". Usually this occurs in phrases like "There was an error
> initializing the grobslot data structure."

Rhoslyn has used "cychwyn" - "Gwall wrth gychwyn y strwythur data grobslot".  
The Academy dictionary has "ymgychwyn", but is this intransitive only, eg 
"the grobslot data structure failed to initialize"?

> "Option", "Preference", "Setting", and "Configuration", translated as
> "Dewisiad", "Dewisiad", "Gosodiad", and "Ffurfosodiad" respectively.

Or "ffurfweddiad" - see above?  I think "dewisiad" is best for "option" 
(better than "opsiynau"), but the Termiadur book gives both "dewis" and 
"blaenoriaeth" for "preference".  The Academy dictionary has "hoffter" for 
"preference", which I think sounds nicer (dwi'n hoffi e :-)

> "Default", currently "Rhagosodiad" which sounds strange some times more
> than oters but I can't think of an example right now.

The Termiadur book has "diofyn" ("unasked") for "default", which I think fits 
better.

Best wishes

Kevin

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