Re: WebKit a11y hack fest?

[David Bolter <dtb gnome org>]

I haven't spoken with any Safari/Webkit devs in a long while :(

http://mindforks.blogspot.com/2009/02/aria-user-agent-implementation-task.html

cheers,
D
Willie Walker wrote:
> Hey All:
>
> There are at least two things of importance:
>
> 1) How complete and accurate is the WebKit support for AT-SPI?
> 2) How complete and accurate is the WebKit support for ARIA?
>
> We definitely need both.
>
> So...let's talk about the hackfest some more.  Who can help us get in
> touch with the WebKit folks that can make changes and checkins to the
> WebKit sources, and when are people available?  BTW, I'm thinking
> about doing this as an online thing rather than face-to-face unless
> there happens to be an opportunity for us all to get together (e.g.,
> CSUN).
>
> Will
>
>
> Jonas Klink wrote:
>> Yes, I think this is a good idea. A first step that would be very
>> valuable for contributors to WebKit ARIA would be to just have an
>> overview of what is done, what's being implemented, and what's up for
>> grabs.
>>
>> - Jonas
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Marco Zehe
>> <marco zehe googlemail com <mailto:marco zehe googlemail com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi folks,
>>
>>     I just ran a few codetalks.org <http://codetalks.org> tests using
>>     VoiceOver and Safari 4 beta on Mac OS. Like David said, basic ARIA
>>     support is there, but it still has ways to go. Also, I believe for
>>     some of this to fully work, VoiceOver needs to be adapted as well.
>>     For example, more complex widgets like tab panels, trees, grids etc.
>>     don't get recognized. Sliders are recognizedhalf-way (the fact that
>>     they're horizontal is conveyed, but the slider is "unknown").
>>
>>     Marco
>>
>>     Am 25.02.2009 um 15:53 schrieb David Bolter:
>>
>>
>>         We could start a conversation on
>>         http://groups.google.ca/group/aria-ua-impl  (?)  -- but we might
>>         want to
>>         have a time window in mind.
>>
>>         Safari now has some ARIA support... does anyone know if that is
>>         upstream?
>>
>>         cheers,
>>         David
>>
>>         Willie Walker wrote:
>>
>>             Thanks David!  Can you also get us in touch with the WebKit
>>             folks
>>             working on WebKit a11y?
>>
>>             Will
>>
>>             David Bolter wrote:
>>
>>                 I can offer to be on a channel, depending on time/date.
>>
>>                 cheers,
>>                 David
>>                 Willie Walker wrote:
>>
>>                     My idea situation is this:
>>
>>                     1) On the WebKit side: people that know the WebKit
>>                     a11y code and who
>>                     can also help us compile WebKit and run the sample
>>                     WebKit apps.
>>
>>                     2) On our side: people that can compile the WebKit
>>                     code and who are
>>                     familiar with AT-SPI as well as what Gecko exposes
>>                     via the AT-SPI.
>>                     Those involved should also be able to run
>>                     accerciser, run Orca, etc.
>>                     We may also look to Eitan to help us with
>> Speclenium.
>>
>>                     The main goals would be:
>>
>>                     1) Get an idea of where WebKit a11y is at.
>>
>>                     2) Help GNOME folks figure out how to build/test
>>                     WebKit a11y.
>>
>>                     3) Help train the WebKit folks on using a11y tools
>>                     to test their
>>                     implementation and learn what is expected.  Ideally,
>>                     the process will
>>                     result in the WebKit folks getting a better
>>                     understanding of a11y and
>>                     getting more information to test/debug their a11y
>>                     implementation.
>>                     This is the optimal way to help close the feedback
>>                     loop, IMO.
>>
>>                     Will
>>
>>                     Bryen wrote:
>>
>>                         On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 08:48 -0500, Willie Walker
>>                         wrote:
>>
>>                             Hey All:
>>
>>                             I know we're working on a hack fest for
>>                             GNOME a11y issues, which is
>>                             an awesome thing.  One thing that is getting
>>                             horrible attention,
>>                             however, is WebKit accessibility.  In fact,
>>                             accessibility is one of
>>                             the things preventing WebKit from being
>>                             accepted into GNOME.
>>
>>                             The WebKit folks have been making fixes, but
>>                             we've not been very
>>                             responsive in testing them.  I wonder what
>>                             people's thoughts are
>>                             about setting aside a day to try to
>>                             coordinate time with the WebKit
>>                             folks to try to do a virtual hackfest for
>>                             WebKit a11y specifically
>>                             for GNOME?
>>
>>                             Will
>>                             __
>>
>>                         I think this is a great idea, especially in
>>                         showing that we want to
>>                         step
>>                         up to the plate in resolving the impasse.
>>
>>                         One question I have.  What type of testing do
>>                         you have in mind?  Who
>>                         would be the testers and what would they need to
>>                         have in order to
>>                         provide good testing results?
>>
>>                         I think finding the proper testers for a11y
>>                         stuff is always a
>>                         challenge
>>                         and I want to make sure we have adequate people
>>                         around on that day,
>>                         whatever designated day we all settle upon.
>>
>>                             Bryen Yunashko
>>                             openSUSE Board Member
>>                             openSUSE-GNOME Team Member
>>                             GNOME-A11y Team Member
>>
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