Re: WebKit a11y hack fest?

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

Hey All:

There are at least two things of importance:

1) How complete and accurate is the WebKit support for AT-SPI?
2) How complete and accurate is the WebKit support for ARIA?

We definitely need both.

So...let's talk about the hackfest some more.  Who can help us get in 
touch with the WebKit folks that can make changes and checkins to the 
WebKit sources, and when are people available?  BTW, I'm thinking about 
doing this as an online thing rather than face-to-face unless there 
happens to be an opportunity for us all to get together (e.g., CSUN).

Will


Jonas Klink wrote:
> Yes, I think this is a good idea. A first step that would be very 
> valuable for contributors to WebKit ARIA would be to just have an 
> overview of what is done, what's being implemented, and what's up for grabs.
>
> - Jonas
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Marco Zehe <marco zehe googlemail com 
> <mailto:marco zehe googlemail com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi folks,
>
>     I just ran a few codetalks.org <http://codetalks.org> tests using
>     VoiceOver and Safari 4 beta on Mac OS. Like David said, basic ARIA
>     support is there, but it still has ways to go. Also, I believe for
>     some of this to fully work, VoiceOver needs to be adapted as well.
>     For example, more complex widgets like tab panels, trees, grids etc.
>     don't get recognized. Sliders are recognizedhalf-way (the fact that
>     they're horizontal is conveyed, but the slider is "unknown").
>
>     Marco
>
>     Am 25.02.2009 um 15:53 schrieb David Bolter:
>
>
>         We could start a conversation on
>         http://groups.google.ca/group/aria-ua-impl  (?)  -- but we might
>         want to
>         have a time window in mind.
>
>         Safari now has some ARIA support... does anyone know if that is
>         upstream?
>
>         cheers,
>         David
>
>         Willie Walker wrote:
>
>             Thanks David!  Can you also get us in touch with the WebKit
>             folks
>             working on WebKit a11y?
>
>             Will
>
>             David Bolter wrote:
>
>                 I can offer to be on a channel, depending on time/date.
>
>                 cheers,
>                 David
>                 Willie Walker wrote:
>
>                     My idea situation is this:
>
>                     1) On the WebKit side: people that know the WebKit
>                     a11y code and who
>                     can also help us compile WebKit and run the sample
>                     WebKit apps.
>
>                     2) On our side: people that can compile the WebKit
>                     code and who are
>                     familiar with AT-SPI as well as what Gecko exposes
>                     via the AT-SPI.
>                     Those involved should also be able to run
>                     accerciser, run Orca, etc.
>                     We may also look to Eitan to help us with Speclenium.
>
>                     The main goals would be:
>
>                     1) Get an idea of where WebKit a11y is at.
>
>                     2) Help GNOME folks figure out how to build/test
>                     WebKit a11y.
>
>                     3) Help train the WebKit folks on using a11y tools
>                     to test their
>                     implementation and learn what is expected.  Ideally,
>                     the process will
>                     result in the WebKit folks getting a better
>                     understanding of a11y and
>                     getting more information to test/debug their a11y
>                     implementation.
>                     This is the optimal way to help close the feedback
>                     loop, IMO.
>
>                     Will
>
>                     Bryen wrote:
>
>                         On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 08:48 -0500, Willie Walker
>                         wrote:
>
>                             Hey All:
>
>                             I know we're working on a hack fest for
>                             GNOME a11y issues, which is
>                             an awesome thing.  One thing that is getting
>                             horrible attention,
>                             however, is WebKit accessibility.  In fact,
>                             accessibility is one of
>                             the things preventing WebKit from being
>                             accepted into GNOME.
>
>                             The WebKit folks have been making fixes, but
>                             we've not been very
>                             responsive in testing them.  I wonder what
>                             people's thoughts are
>                             about setting aside a day to try to
>                             coordinate time with the WebKit
>                             folks to try to do a virtual hackfest for
>                             WebKit a11y specifically
>                             for GNOME?
>
>                             Will
>                             __
>
>                         I think this is a great idea, especially in
>                         showing that we want to
>                         step
>                         up to the plate in resolving the impasse.
>
>                         One question I have.  What type of testing do
>                         you have in mind?  Who
>                         would be the testers and what would they need to
>                         have in order to
>                         provide good testing results?
>
>                         I think finding the proper testers for a11y
>                         stuff is always a
>                         challenge
>                         and I want to make sure we have adequate people
>                         around on that day,
>                         whatever designated day we all settle upon.
>
>                             Bryen Yunashko
>                             openSUSE Board Member
>                             openSUSE-GNOME Team Member
>                             GNOME-A11y Team Member
>
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