Re: Aisleriot/Blackjack cards

["Thomas H.P. Andersen" <phomes gmail com>]

I would like to have a better understanding of the problem and the
consequences of changing to more "heavy" cards. I'll try to post to
planet to get some more feedback from users affected by this and to
get some more general opinions on the aesthetics vs. performance issue
is GNOME. So I think we should keep Bonded for 2.21.5 and if the
feedback is positive we can seek to get an approval to break the UI
freeze for the new cards.

- Thomas

On Jan 13, 2008 8:35 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen <phomes gmail com> wrote:
> Unfortunately my ubuntu install on the 400MHz machine failed and I
> don't have the time/energy to try to fix it (exam tomorrow) so I have
> no results from that test. However I received an email directly from a
> user that I will attacht here (he's okay with that).
>
> If we want to keep bonded I think we should try to convince an artist
> to look at improving the faces. They don't look too good IMO and theyjg v
> are the main reason I prefer anglo over bonded. (Ultimately I would
> still prefer something along the lines of seans work to replace the
> current cards at some point in the future)
>
> <Jerry's mail>
> As a "low spec" user, let me add that "high spec" PC users will very
> often have some flavor of MS Windoze on their relatively new PCs.
>
> The rest of us, who either can't or don't want to pay over $100 for
> an operating system for our PC that may have only cost $50, find
> Ubuntu to be a very attractive alternative, that makes these older
> PCs into very useful, low-cost tools (& toys ;-) ). Many of us are also
> somewhat older, which means we've been using these cards all of
> our lives, and are quite used to their design. Please give us a choice.
>
> I started out using Ubuntu 6.04 on a P2/233. You'd better believe
> I would have noticed a 250 percent slowdown in rendering cards!
> I come from the Mac environment: "The computer for the rest of us".
> Well, Ubuntu is the OS for the rest of us - those not in bed with MS.
>
> I sympathize with those who want prettier cards, but please add
> them as a choice. Don't fix what isn't broken. Remember those who
> can't afford 1.3 GHz or even half of that. We play cards, too. ;-)
>
> Jerry, 64
> </jJerry's mail>
>
> On Jan 12, 2008 8:23 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen <phomes gmail com> wrote:
>
> > I knew that Bonded was optimized for speed but 2.5 times sure sounds
> > like a lot. I tested it on my old computer (1300MHz celeron, 384 ram,
> > sis graphics) but I could not feel any difference between Bonded and
> > Anglo there. I'm in the middle of installing gutsy on my even-older pc
> > (400 MHz), I'm sure I'll feel the difference there...
> >
> > IMO we shouldn't hold back development for the low spec users forever.
> > At some point we have to accept increased cost to make things
> > better/prettier. As ultra low spec users become a minority (I assume)
> > I'd say it's fair to default to the more costly and let the low spec
> > users install Bonded if needed.
> >
> >
> > On Jan 12, 2008 6:48 PM, Christian Persch <chpe gnome org> wrote:
> > > Hi;
> > >
> > > Le samedi 12 janvier 2008 à 17:17 +0100, Andreas Rosdal a écrit :
> > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Thomas H.P. Andersen wrote:
> > > > Yes, that is the only difference, and is also the reason it was created.
> > > > The default 'bonded' cards have quite low-quality king, queen and jack,
> > > > while Anglo is better in this area.
> > > >
> > > > > Personally I think we should just go with gnomanglo but a poll surely
> > > > > wont't hurt :)
> > > >
> > > > I agree with this. If everyone agrees, then there's no need for a poll.
> > >
> > > The reason we currently default to Bonded is that it renders the
> > > fastest. I just took some timings (compile libgames-support/ with CFLAGS
> > > +="-DINSTRUMENT_LOADING" for that; use Freecell since it renders all the
> > > cards at startup), and it results that Gnomanglo takes about 2.5 times
> > > as long to render all cards as Bonded; that's too long IMHO.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >         Christian
> > >
> > >
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