Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

[Lionel Dricot <ploum ploum net>]

Hi Dave,

I thought that those members evolved naturally. Life is changing, so are
interests and priorities. I was a proud Ubuntu member myself before
coming to GNOME. Not because of the Ubuntu community (au contraire) but
because my interests have changed.

It has to be added that, sometimes, some people are very rude themselves
and seem to think that everyone is rude with themselves (it's only a
natural reaction). Sometime, the lack of motivation make you angry and,
as a consequence, you overreact to everything. The hostility of the
community is rarely a cause, it's more a consequence (when it is not
only a bad perception of a vocal minority).

But if you are right and that even some of the names you are giving (all
brilliants people) were turned away because of the hostility of the
community, I'll agree with you that we really have to solve this
problem. (my opinion is of course short-sighted by my lack of experience
in this field)


Lionel


PS : that's bring an interesting point. Is keeping a relatively hostile
community kind of a darwinian selection that allow the community to
replace older people, famous for their achievement 5 years ago but now
less motivated, more conservative, by fresh blood with new ideas?
(that's of course a joke, I don't say that we must keep this kind of
community at all!)


Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009 à 18:49 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> Lionel Dricot wrote:
> > Do you think that many people were turned out of the GNOME community
> > because of an hostile experience? I don't think so.  (I might be wrong, I
> > just never met anybody that has a bad experience).
> 
> Some names of good contributors who have drifted away from GNOME, at
> least partly because of the tone of discourse:
> 
> Dave Camp
> Seth Nickell
> Alex Graveley
> Telsa Gwynne
> Jacob Berkmann
> Ross Golder
> Daniel Veillard
> Joe Shaw
> Jorge Castro
> 
> Another bunch of people who are still around the free software world,
> but who no longer consider themselves GNOME community members - I can't
> speak to their motivations, of course:
> 
> Nat Friedman
> Miguel de Icaza
> Glynn Foster
> Jeff Waugh
> Jody Goldberg
> Bill Hanneman
> Malcolm Tredinnick
> Mark McLoughlin
> George Lebl
> 
> Some of these people are still members of the foundation, but none of
> them have been seen around for a long while.
> 
> Acceptable collateral damage for having unfettered freedom of speech?
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave.