Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

[Anne Østergaard <anne oestergaard nu>]

tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 16:27 +0300, skrev Baris Cicek:
> Actually, it should be someone who is able to detect possible obstacles
> that put Asians or Women out of GNOME (or in general Free Software). I
> doubt that anyone have any emprical study about that. But is it harsh
> and rude behavior of developers or the community? Or technical limits?
> Or even communication problems? (ie. English knowledge or something). 
> 
> First thing is to come up with a reasonable problems that new comers
> would come across. And later people should follow a pathway to get rid
> of these obstacles. 
> 
> Actually Code of Conduct may only be successful for new comers if we
> detect those problems correctly. 
> 
> For that reason, ideas of the fresh community members is more important.
> If you're experienced then either you did not have any problem or you
> might even forgot those problems you'd encountered in past. Though, you
> might still remember old days, but chances are low. 
> 
> IMHO, Code Of Conduct (or GNOME Ethics) should be written for that very
> reason. Experienced members of the community might and would forget the
> problems for newcomers. Something should remind them.
> 
> But still first thing to do is to detect obstacles first. Else, outcome
> of this work, won't get further than saying "Be nice to each other" with
> rhetoric. 

I agree.

A question is when do you feel you belong to the GNOME community?

When there is a critical mass that is just like you and 
when you feel comfortable that a larger group share your way of thinking
and ways of communicating?


Anne


> 
> 
> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 09:05 -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
> > On 6/1/06, Dave Neary <dneary free fr> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Luis Villa wrote:
> > > > Such a plan should be written by someone who has actually been
> > > > involved in IRC, our mailing lists, bugzilla, etc., *as a developer*-
> > > > which, sorry, isn't Anne. It will not work if it is not driven by
> > > > someone with such experience.
> > >
> > > That's not so. There's nothing preventing someone who isn't a developer
> > > from comping up with a credible strategy for getting more women involved
> > > in GNOME (although that's totally off-topic to the code of conduct
> > > discussion). Any such plan would have to appeal to geek women - so who's
> > > better placed to come up with a plan? A male geek or a female non-geek?
> > 
> > A female geek?
> > 
> > Luis
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