On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 18:49 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 14:01 -0700, Al Niessner wrote:I would be remiss if I did not point out that if trash were Trash, then why do we have the Junk folder for spam?You don't see the difference between "stuff I've decided I don't need any more" and "stuff I don't want to see even once"? The *only* reason for having a Junk folder is that no spam filter is perfect, so you might need to mark a false positive and recover the message (and retrain the filter). Otherwise it could just be permanently deleted at once -- in fact some filters (external to Evo) allow you to do that. And the *only* reason for having a Trash folder is to allow you to change your mind about deleting something (even Junk). Otherwise it could just be expunged immediately. In fact some clients (Thunderbird for example) allow you to configure that. Your comments on Trash notwithstanding, the distinction between Trash and Junk is universal among current email clients, as is the fact that they all implicitly assume that Trash will at some point be expunged and not live on forever. If you want it to live forever (e.g. because of regulatory requirements) there are archiving systems for that, again outside the mail client, or you can set up a different filtering system as had been suggested. But I doubt the Evo devels are going to change the concept of Trash to fit your working practices since they aren't what most people are used to or expect. As to the idea of using searching rather than filing in folders, that's perfectly reasonable and is the basis of Gmail, but it has nothing to do with Trash as such. Also, I'm not sure that Evo is really suited to doing this on a large scale. It's true that it does a lot of indexing, which most MUAs don't, but I think it needs work on the user interface for this to really effective.
I can add very little to Patrick's excellent response except the following. Trash is actually _designed_ to be a different kind of folder, with different behavior from other, regular folders. The design is based on the purposes that Patrick explained. Junk is similar in its unique nature. There is nothing wrong with what you want to do, Al. The problem is the choice of folders in which you decided to do it. It is as if your post said, "I am trying to put this square peg in the round hole you have created and it won't let me. Please redesign the round hole so that I can fit the square peg in it." Evolution offers plenty of square hole alternatives, and relatively easy ways to use them. -- Art Alexion MIS x3075
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