Re: [Evolution] forwarding of attachments



On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 12:02, Lubos Kolouch wrote:
Sorry, time corrected (it is my laptop suspending issue...)

Thank you for conirmation the behaviour has changed since
1.2 - this is exactly my point.

But maybe I am the only unhappy business user?
e-mail with attachment forwarding is not that common since most e-mails
should get to the right destination the first place.
But I see this as a problem as well. I am currently using Evo 2 on a
test basis (on a test box with MDK 10.1 Community)only and so probably
do most business users.
As more business upgrade, there will be more postings.

Tom



Cheers

Lubos

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Thomas Spuhler wrote:

On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 08:11, Lubos Kolouch wrote:
with attachments? really? It was working but since
I think 1.5.x it does not.

Just try it - take a message with attachments
and try to fwd in inline.
I just tried. What is happening when I forward inline using Evo 2 is
that the attachment is not being forwarded vs. in Evo 1.4 the attachment
goes with it.
I am using Evo2 and Evo 1.4.6 distributed by Mandrake.

BTW Lubos, the time on your PC seems to be set wrong. See below, it's
11:04 here.

Tom



Lubos

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Thomas Spuhler wrote:

On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 09:07, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 17:02 +0200, Lubos Kolouch wrote:
Dear Not Zed,

Thank you for considering my point of view.

I respect yours, however I would like to add additional comments:

What you do with email as a business user who receiving daily 
100s emails?

You want to :

- quickly see the content of the email to see the importance
- be able to quickly search in the emails
- be able to forward the email to your colleagues and add your comments

So if you do forward as attachment, it is fine, but the receiver
cannot see the original email. I mean he can but he has to click, open
the message in new window, then click again to switch to the email
with your comments etc.

Of course this is possible but it is highly unpractical.

Evolution show the attached messages inline. if other mailers don't do
that when requested to do so, then it is a failing on their part, not
ours.
Are we talking about the same thing? As far as I know, in Evo you can
forward the e-mail either as attachment,or quoted or inline. It is your
choice and the default can be set in the settings.

I have been forwarding inline since I started using Evo



What I am saying is that yes, it can be done as you said, by forwarding,
by drag and dropping etc. 

My point is that your solution is very time consuming (it is ok when
you have one email per day but not 100s) and therefore not usable in
daily business life where time is money.

how is it time consuming? it's not time consuming for you. it is only
time consuming for the recipient if he is using a broken mailer,
otherwise it is no more time consuming than your way.


There must be some (business) reason why other mail clients do it the
way they do, ie. forward the message WITH attachments and quoted text.

there is: they were written before MIME became an internet standard
(same reason Exchange/Groupwise/Domino/etc all use proprietary protocols
- they were written before open standards existed for these things)

Jeff


Thank you again for considering my idea.

Best regards

Lubos Kolouch

On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 22:10 +0800, Not Zed wrote:

We've changed it so that attachments only get forwarded when you
forward the entire mail using 'forward as attachment', which is the
default fowarding option.  This forwards the entire message, including
all attachments.  For various reasons this is normally a much better
way to forward the email anyway, since generally at the receiving end
the attached message can be treated as a native message rather than an
opaque text object.

I'm not sure exactly of the design decision behind the change, other
than perhaps that forwarding the mail in full is a 'preferred internet
mechanism' for forwarding mails as it keeps all the data intact.

You can set the fotward style in the general tab of the composer
preferences in the settings window.

On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 18:53 +0200, Lubos Kolouch wrote: 
Dear Ximian/Novell,

Thank you for your great job with Evolution. As a ex-developer
I really like what you did, it is the best office suite today
for linux.

I am manager at Panasonic, using Evolution together with MS
Exchange servers.

There is one thing though that I do not like at all.

I am receiving daily 100s of emails, most of them with many
attachments. I forward them regularly to my team, other teams
etc. Unfortunately all attachments are lost when I click
forward (as quote, as typically I have to write in instructions
what to do with the email).

Can you imagine what pain it is to save each attachments,
do forward, manually select attachments and send? It is costing
me really lots of time so I am seriously thinking to switch
to another mail client that does it correctly (I think you are
the only one doing it this way!)

Could you kindly
- let me know WHY you decided to do it this business unfriendly way
- if you have any plans to fix it?

Thank you and best regards

Lubos Kolouch
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