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Re: [Evolution] POP, SSH port-forwarding, and deletes

Actually the feature Jeff refereed to was a different one - delete after
a few days.

This particular feature has been requested a few times, but is a fair
bit harder to implement, because you would need to track all messages in
all folders, e.g. pop mail could be downloaded to imap, or anywehre
else.  And what do you do if there are multiple copies etc.

The reason its tricky is POP was never designed to be used that way.

On Wed, 2002-04-17 at 03:22, Ian Forde wrote:

Which, of course, is the behavior I had gotten used to from Netscape. 
So, when moving to Evolution, upon seeing the "Expunge" menu option, I
had (apparently mistakenly) assumed the same functionality.  Apparently
that's only true for IMAP... bummer... now to convince someone to
install imapd... 

Is this an often-requested feature?  Or am I in an unusual situation? 
I'm guessing that the recommended solution would be to install imapd...

      -Ian

On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 10:45, David G. Simmons wrote:


While this is all quite true (and one of the main reasons I use IMAP 
instead of POP3), Netscape has implemented this using what they call 
'compacting' folders. If anyone has used the Netscape Messenger using 
POP3, they will notice (if they pay any attention whatsoever) that 
messages are not actually DELETED (even from the local store) until you 
issue a 'compact folders' command. You will not SEE them, but your local 
(or remote) message store will get HUGE unless you periodically compact 
the folder.

Of course, this doesn't help solve anyone's problem, but ... :-)

dg

Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:


Oh. You can't in Evolution, there was just a question about this
actually a few days ago. To sum up:

There aren't any plans to implement it that i'm aware of.  Mainly as
we'd need some mechanism to implement it without breaking through
abstraction layers.  Its probably not that hard to do, but nobody's
given it enough thought.  Any reasonable patches will be considered ...


POP was never really designed for leaving mail on the server at all,


let


alone keeping an index of all messages, and then comparing how long
they've been in the cache or the timestamp in the header to determine


if


they should be deleted.  Yes other mailers have pulled off this hack,
but it's really just better to use IMAP if users plan to leave the


mail


on the server at all.



This is so true.  Its called Post _OFFICE_ Protocol for a reason.  You
dont file and store your mail at your postoffice postbox (if you have
one), you just pick it up there.

Jeff

On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 12:35, Ian Forde wrote:


The problem is that I've found that if I uncheck "Leave Mail on Server",
it'll download all the mail from the server and remove it all from the
server.  Thus, the only place my mail store will be is on my laptop...
This I've verified from the stream of DELE commands going to the server
(from watching sniffer dumps).

How do I get it to only remove messages on the server when they're
removed locally, yet maintain the message store on the server?

 -I

Tue, 2002-04-16 at 08:46, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: 


Ian,

I'm not sure I understand. You have "leave-mail-on-server" checked,
right? That means that you don't want Evolution to delete mail from the
server. That is why it's not performing a DELE for the messages. If you
want it to DELE the messages, you have to turn off keep-mail-on-server .

Jeff

On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 00:24, Ian Forde wrote:


Hi all - I'm new to the list, though I've been using Evolution for well
over a year now.  I'm having a problem using Evolution with a POP
account in that it won't delete any messages.  Here's the setup:

My machine: Linux Laptop (RH7.2,
evolution1.0.3.99-various-snapshots-usually-the-latest-though-this-problem-has-persisted)

I don't control the mailserver, and it's running Qpopper 4.0.3, with no
APOP support.  Thus, I port-forward over an ssh connection:

ssh -2 -L 4510:mailhost:25 -L 4500:mailhost:110 me mailhost

So I point Evolution at that mailhost:4500 for receiving mail and
mailhost:4510 for sending mail.  I've turned on the "Leave messages on
server" option, since unchecking that one sucks the mail off of the
server and leaves me with no mail the when I'm done.  (Sometimes I
travel without my laptop and like to use pine.)

So when I "empty trash" and "expunge" the messages leave my "Local
Folders" but still stay on the server anyway.  I've sniffed the
connection and watched message downloads, but at no time has Evolution
performed a "message delete" operation.

Could the fact that evo sees this account as a "local folder" be
relevant here?  And just to be sure... Mozilla mail works fine in this
regard, so it's not the server.  (Evo is a better, nicer-looking email
client, supports gpg/pgp, and doesn't die when my browser crashes, which
is why I'm using it...)

Any help here would be appreciated!

Thanks!
       -Ian
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                      Ian Forde, RHCE, SCSA, SCNA, SCDME, CCSA
                      CYTBeN, Inc.
                      ian jeigh com




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                      CYTBeN, Inc.
                      ian jeigh com




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                       CYTBeN, Inc.
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