Re: [Evolution] POP, SSH port-forwarding, and deletes

["David G. Simmons" <david simmons simmons-family org>]

While this is all quite true (and one of the main reasons I use IMAP 
instead of POP3), Netscape has implemented this using what they call 
'compacting' folders. If anyone has used the Netscape Messenger using 
POP3, they will notice (if they pay any attention whatsoever) that 
messages are not actually DELETED (even from the local store) until you 
issue a 'compact folders' command. You will not SEE them, but your local 
(or remote) message store will get HUGE unless you periodically compact 
the folder.

Of course, this doesn't help solve anyone's problem, but ... :-)

dg

Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:

> Oh. You can't in Evolution, there was just a question about this
> actually a few days ago. To sum up:
>
> There aren't any plans to implement it that i'm aware of.  Mainly as
> we'd need some mechanism to implement it without breaking through
> abstraction layers.  Its probably not that hard to do, but nobody's
> given it enough thought.  Any reasonable patches will be considered ...
>
> > POP was never really designed for leaving mail on the server at all,
> let
>
> > alone keeping an index of all messages, and then comparing how long
> > they've been in the cache or the timestamp in the header to determine
> if
>
> > they should be deleted.  Yes other mailers have pulled off this hack,
> > but it's really just better to use IMAP if users plan to leave the
> mail
>
> > on the server at all.
>
> This is so true.  Its called Post _OFFICE_ Protocol for a reason.  You
> dont file and store your mail at your postoffice postbox (if you have
> one), you just pick it up there.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 12:35, Ian Forde wrote:
>
> > The problem is that I've found that if I uncheck "Leave Mail on Server",
> > it'll download all the mail from the server and remove it all from the
> > server.  Thus, the only place my mail store will be is on my laptop...
> > This I've verified from the stream of DELE commands going to the server
> > (from watching sniffer dumps).
> >
> > How do I get it to only remove messages on the server when they're
> > removed locally, yet maintain the message store on the server?
> >
> >         -I
> >
> > Tue, 2002-04-16 at 08:46, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: 
> >
> > > Ian,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I understand. You have "leave-mail-on-server" checked,
> > > right? That means that you don't want Evolution to delete mail from the
> > > server. That is why it's not performing a DELE for the messages. If you
> > > want it to DELE the messages, you have to turn off keep-mail-on-server.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 00:24, Ian Forde wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all - I'm new to the list, though I've been using Evolution for well
> > > > over a year now.  I'm having a problem using Evolution with a POP
> > > > account in that it won't delete any messages.  Here's the setup:
> > > >
> > > > My machine: Linux Laptop (RH7.2,
> > > > evolution1.0.3.99-various-snapshots-usually-the-latest-though-this-problem-has-persisted)
> > > >
> > > > I don't control the mailserver, and it's running Qpopper 4.0.3, with no
> > > > APOP support.  Thus, I port-forward over an ssh connection:
> > > >
> > > > ssh -2 -L 4510:mailhost:25 -L 4500:mailhost:110 me mailhost
> > > >
> > > > So I point Evolution at that mailhost:4500 for receiving mail and
> > > > mailhost:4510 for sending mail.  I've turned on the "Leave messages on
> > > > server" option, since unchecking that one sucks the mail off of the
> > > > server and leaves me with no mail the when I'm done.  (Sometimes I
> > > > travel without my laptop and like to use pine.)
> > > >
> > > > So when I "empty trash" and "expunge" the messages leave my "Local
> > > > Folders" but still stay on the server anyway.  I've sniffed the
> > > > connection and watched message downloads, but at no time has Evolution
> > > > performed a "message delete" operation.
> > > >
> > > > Could the fact that evo sees this account as a "local folder" be
> > > > relevant here?  And just to be sure... Mozilla mail works fine in this
> > > > regard, so it's not the server.  (Evo is a better, nicer-looking email
> > > > client, supports gpg/pgp, and doesn't die when my browser crashes, which
> > > > is why I'm using it...)
> > > >
> > > > Any help here would be appreciated!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >         -Ian
> > > > --
> > > >                       ________________________________________
> > > >                       Ian Forde, RHCE, SCSA, SCNA, SCDME, CCSA
> > > >                       CYTBeN, Inc.
> > > >                       ian jeigh com
> > --
> >                       ________________________________________
> >                       Ian Forde, RHCE, SCSA, SCNA, SCDME, CCSA
> >                       CYTBeN, Inc.
> >                       ian jeigh com
>
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