Re: Community Teams

[Hashem Nasarat <hnasarat gmail com>]

I have had recent issue with the Code of Conduct
(https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Foundation/CodeOfConduct?action=show&redirect=CodeOfConduct)
myself.

In particular, I don't know how to resolve some of the contents of the
CoC with the notion that tone policing is bad (see
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument for an example).

On 12/11/2013 10:46 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
> I've been asked to clarify my response to this. I want to say clearly
> that Jon's message was outside the Code of Conduct, and I spoke to him
> about it off-list. I sincerely hope that there won't be other posts like
> that one in the future, from anyone. While Kat could have been more
> appreciative of the work that Jon has done, the response she got was
> very sarcastic and did not engage in a polite substantive discussion of
> the points. It was not respectful or considerate and did not assume
> people mean well. I am glad that Andre and Seif pointed that out, though
> I think that in this and in cases on other mailing lists it's easy to
> respond with a too negative message. I think a simple warning is
> sufficient, followed by action if necessary upon repeat behavior.  I'm
> also glad that Kat directly addressed it. In any case, I hope we can
> move on from this instance.
>
> The point of my original message is that I think we can learn from this
> and be nicer to each other. I also think we should improve the Code of
> Conduct so there is specific action recommended. Right now it's so vague
> I'm not sure it's helpful (we have a lot of posts that aren't generous
> on gnome lists, for example). As you may have seen, I've suggested it as
> a point of discussion at our next meeting tomorrow if there's time (and
> elsewhere if there isn't). I've also suggested to the board that we
> should improve the Code of Conduct and it is on the agenda for the next
> board meeting.
>
> karen
>
> On 2013-12-04 16:37, Karen Sandler wrote:
> > Everyone obviously cares that the engagement team remain the
> > supportive and positive place that it is. We've got (generally)
> > regular phone meetings that reinforce the personal relationships
> > between us and there's a lot of great discussion on the IRC channel. I
> > hate to see this mailing list go the way of so many other free
> > software lists.
> >
> > I think it was unfortunate that some of the tones in the thread were
> > negative. No matter what, we all need to be respectful and try to be
> > as positive as possible. It's tough to find that line where we can
> > disagree with someone but do it in a positive and constructive way but
> > we should stive for that.  We should be able to always avoid being
> > harsh.
> >
> > Most importantly, awesome work is being done all around which
> > shouldn't be overlooked! Engagement activities like cleaning up the
> > website and wiki, making redirects, creating promotional materials and
> > coordinating participation can be a grind but I think it's fun because
> > of who I get to do it with. I'm so encouraged with all of the people
> > who have decided to chime in.
> >
> > Let's resume other parts of this conversation with a little bit more
> > benefit of the doubt and supportiveness.
> >
> > karen
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