Re: Community Teams



I have had recent issue with the Code of Conduct
(https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Foundation/CodeOfConduct?action=show&redirect=CodeOfConduct)
myself.

In particular, I don't know how to resolve some of the contents of the
CoC with the notion that tone policing is bad (see
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument for an example).

On 12/11/2013 10:46 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:

I've been asked to clarify my response to this. I want to say clearly
that Jon's message was outside the Code of Conduct, and I spoke to him
about it off-list. I sincerely hope that there won't be other posts like
that one in the future, from anyone. While Kat could have been more
appreciative of the work that Jon has done, the response she got was
very sarcastic and did not engage in a polite substantive discussion of
the points. It was not respectful or considerate and did not assume
people mean well. I am glad that Andre and Seif pointed that out, though
I think that in this and in cases on other mailing lists it's easy to
respond with a too negative message. I think a simple warning is
sufficient, followed by action if necessary upon repeat behavior.  I'm
also glad that Kat directly addressed it. In any case, I hope we can
move on from this instance.

The point of my original message is that I think we can learn from this
and be nicer to each other. I also think we should improve the Code of
Conduct so there is specific action recommended. Right now it's so vague
I'm not sure it's helpful (we have a lot of posts that aren't generous
on gnome lists, for example). As you may have seen, I've suggested it as
a point of discussion at our next meeting tomorrow if there's time (and
elsewhere if there isn't). I've also suggested to the board that we
should improve the Code of Conduct and it is on the agenda for the next
board meeting.

karen

On 2013-12-04 16:37, Karen Sandler wrote:
Everyone obviously cares that the engagement team remain the
supportive and positive place that it is. We've got (generally)
regular phone meetings that reinforce the personal relationships
between us and there's a lot of great discussion on the IRC channel. I
hate to see this mailing list go the way of so many other free
software lists.

I think it was unfortunate that some of the tones in the thread were
negative. No matter what, we all need to be respectful and try to be
as positive as possible. It's tough to find that line where we can
disagree with someone but do it in a positive and constructive way but
we should stive for that.  We should be able to always avoid being
harsh.

Most importantly, awesome work is being done all around which
shouldn't be overlooked! Engagement activities like cleaning up the
website and wiki, making redirects, creating promotional materials and
coordinating participation can be a grind but I think it's fun because
of who I get to do it with. I'm so encouraged with all of the people
who have decided to chime in.

Let's resume other parts of this conversation with a little bit more
benefit of the doubt and supportiveness.

karen
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