RE: Patch for Delete key behavior (for dia-0.96.1)

As a simple Dia user, that has used other similar programs, but not very
often, I vote for:
- simple click selects
- Enter when selected enters edit mode
- double click enters edit mode
- simple click elsewhere exits edit mode
- Esc exits edit mode
- I would not advocate any "awkward" (=combination or F-keys) key bindings
for such a simple task as entering/leaving text mode.

Lars Ruoff


-----Original Message-----
From: dia-list-bounces gnome org 
[mailto:dia-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Lars Clausen
Sent: vendredi 28 septembre 2007 17:47
To: discussions about usage and development of dia
Subject: Re: Patch for Delete key behavior (for dia-0.96.1)

On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 12:01 +0530, Sameer Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On 9/27/07, Michael Ross <michael e ross gmail com> wrote:

My early experiences with computing were with CAD programs.  
Pre-Windows there was AutoCad (DOS) and a number of UNIX based 
systems.  Heavy users of CAD, which has a very strong mouse or 
stylus use component like Dia, would quickly find that 
placing the 
left hand on the keyboard and the right on the mouse and using as 
many left hand keystroke shortcuts as possible was the 
most productive manner of operating the programs.

Hear! Hear!

Allow me to hijack this and once again root for my personal 
combination: F2 and "second click" to enter text edit mode. 
This has 
the additional plus point that it copies a well-known key-mapping, 
from Nautilus and Explorer. In terms of user interaction, I see no 
difference between a file icon and a text object ... their 
suggests the same interface for the related action of "editing text 
visible in that icon". This also does not interfere with 
selecting an 
object by simply clicking on it.

I have no problem with having F2 be one way to enter text 
edit mode.  My worry about "second click" is that it will be 
problematic to double-click for properties without 
accidentally entering text mode all the time, or vice-versa.  
Hmm... Gnome HIG says that Alt-Enter should be the default 
shortcut for Properties.  F2 is supposed to be Rename which 
works fine in some cases, when the text is a name, but a pure 
text object doesn't have a name as such.  "Enter" or "Space" 
could also both reasonably be used for entering text mode, 
since they don't conflict with anything else.  If "Alt-Enter" 
is Properties, then "Enter" would be fairly logical for 
editing.  "Enter" text and such... I think I'd rather have 
that listed in the menu than F2.

To exit text edit mode, I would vote for Shift-Esc as well 
as clicking 
elsewhere, since Esc is strongly associated with abort. We 
could even 
try "Enter" as an additional shortcut since that will round off the 
analogy with file renaming. It does affect the ablity to enter 
multiline text, but if we choose to do that, we can use "Ctrl-Enter"
like Pidgin to start a new line.

"Enter" as a shortcut works fine for places where you don't 
expect to be able to have newlines, which is not the case 
here.  I'd find it an awful interruption of my work flow if 
every time I think I'm just adding a line, I end up leaving 
edit mode.  Not logical at all.  I'm mainly thinking of the 
fact that the user will be entering and leaving text edit 
mode frequently, and Shift-Esc is awkward.  I find Esc 
logical for leaving a "special mode", but I'm probably not typical:)  


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