Re: I believe we should reconsider our sys-tray removal

On 2019-03-25 10:37 a.m., Emmanuele Bassi via desktop-devel-list wrote:
    On a default gnome install on any modern screen, only
    about 25% of the top bar contains any information at all. It can't be
    "the most important real estate" and be so underutilized.

It's important because it's the UI element that is *always visible* at all times.

So let me hide it. Everyone's happy.

    Same reasoning
    why it is rare to have a park in the middle of downtown.

I literally have no idea what this even means.

It's not important real-estate if it is completely underutilized.

The only time empty space is important real estate is when that empty space is more important than information that could be there. Same applies to buildings. That was the analogy.

    That said, notification icons are literally the most useful information
    points for the many applications I have running in the background. So
    they deserve prominent placement.

If an application is in the background, why do you need to see an icon all the time?

Because I got an IM while I was away from my desk. It shows up in the completely useless notification menu that is under the clock. Its notification got clobbered by Rhythmbox's notification that the song changed while I was on the can. I wonder why I never see my original notification.

Alternative: oh hey, the Pidgin icon is flashing!

If the application needs to notify you of any state change while it's hidden, it can use a notification; if you need an icon to interact with a background application, you can literally re-launch it from the dash or from the applications grid, and you'll get an application window.

Keepass: I want the icon so I can click it and it makes the correct password available o nthe clipboard. Screen recording: I want a place on screen to click to stop it without recording a window change. There are a gazillion uses. Screen sharing: icon shows me that someone is connected (this information is useless hidden in a menu). I can think of dozens more.

If there are no state changes and you don't need to interact with it, then the icon is pointless waste of space.

And yet, on my Mac, I'm not overwhelmed with icons. A balance can be struck.

Anyway, all that to say, I'm perfectly happy with KNotifier, but it's a no-brainer that it should be core and it should be modernized for all of the *technical* reasons mentioned in other messages. If you don't want to see it, hide it.


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