Re: Opening the 3.12 cycle

["Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)" <zeeshanak gnome org>]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alberto Ruiz <aruiz gnome org> wrote:
> Hey Andrew,  Zeeshan,
>
> 2013/9/24 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <zeeshanak gnome org>:
> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko
> > <andrew w nosenko gmail com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre
> > > <jstpierre mecheye net> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai <atai gnu org> wrote:
> > > > > what would this mean for systems not using systemd?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does not
> > > > have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or hibernate on
> > > > ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this point.
> > > >
> > > > For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses
> > > > ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile without
> > > > logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer.
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that you
> > > > would like to run GNOME on?
> > >
> > > Did you heard about FreeBSD?
> >
> > How many people use FreeBSD? I doubt its a significant enough number
> > for us to spend our time and resources on it.
>
> Really? How many people use GNU/Linux distros? From that POV we are
> better off targeting Android. I don't think GNOME is in the OS
> popularity contest.

Android is not free, I said 'free'. If FreeBSD had users comparable to
that of Linux, why is it that in almost every other free software
project, developers target Linux first, if they target any other free
OS at all. We can't buildup a complete system based on Android anyway
even if it was free since its already a complete system.

> There are much more compelling answers to Andrew's request, and I for
> one would like to see people working on getting GNOME working on BSD's
> as long as they understand that the majority of people run Linux and
> that we are trying to achieve a certain level of integration with the
> OS and that we expect certain features and services to achieve GNOME's
> goals.
>
> People can get GNOME working on the *BSDs, but is the developers
> running those OSes the ones that have to figure out a way to catch up
> with Linux and work with upstreams, it's just not realistic

Surely. As I already apologized, "FreeBSD users should just go away"
is not at all what I meant to say. However, my rather impolite comment
was in reply to his comment that sounded very much like "Why are you
guys not caring about FreeBSD?".

> > > PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux?
> >
> > But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper
> > was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that
> > systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD.
>
> Worth caring about? I care about any OS that has an OSI approved
> license, I happen to run some incarnation of GNU/Linux and I try to
> make things work on that one because it's the one I use. But that
> doesn't mean that other OSes are not worthy of care by other people.
> It's just up to those people to try to get things running on it.

By "not caring about", I mean us not thinking about it when we design
and implement various GNOME components. That is a fact and unless
there is some FreeBSD developers stepping-up and changing that, it
will remain to be the case. I only intended to make this clear. Once
again, I apologise that it came out so harshly and apparently also so
misleading.

-- 
Regards,

Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
FSF member#5124