Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:18 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 à 12:16 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
> > > FWIW, this is exactly the use-case I'm missing. I would like to copy
> > my
> > > personal data to an external hard drive, remote server or cloud
> > storage
> > > service, so that if my hard drive goes boom, I can get my settings,
> > > documents, photos, etc back after installing a new distribution on a
> > new
> > > system. I'm not that bothered about a full system recovery for a
> > > back-up tool.
> > > 
> > > So I applaud your focus :)
> > 
> > That's because you're lead to believe that it's enough :) 
> From desktop point of view, we usually do no modification of any kind
> except for /home. It takes 20-30 minutes to install a distro these days,
> and same to install a system backup. Base on that, doing a full system
> backup seems a waste to me. As long as I can recover my home into some
> newly created user account, I think it's enough. Also, when a hard disk
> breaks, I tend to buy a bigger one. Using distribution installer let me
> reconfigure the partitioning (or let the distro do it) from an user
> interface I already learned before.

Perhaps it's not time-consuming to install a distro, but it is
time-consuming to work out what extra packages/software one had
installed and then find and reinstall them.

If a GNOME backup program is not going to back up anything outside the
home directory, I'd at least hope that it would store a list with each
backup of the packages the user has installed. I believe PackageKit
offers such functionality[1] (though I've never actually seen it).



> For sure, if your looking for server backup it's a different story. But
> in reality, servers these days are not backup using integrated UI. Most
> of the time, server are virtual, which makes backups something really
> different.
> Also, my previous experience trying to help someone using Time Machine
> and Time Capsule on OS X was not so great. It ended up using the capsule
> as a hard-drive and simply copying manually stuff over, as it was much
> simpler to get stuff back.
> The tech support argument is interesting, but my corporate experience
> tells me that we never endup having full system backup for user
> Desktop). The reason is that it's time and disk consuming. What I've
> seen the most, is user profile being store on central server, and tools
> to track software and licenses on each desktop. I'm guessing on this
> one, but also tools to reinstall from the ground those machine with the
> same softwares and licenses.
> At last, I don't think the futuristic system wide backup should delay
> having per-user backup. When this advance system wide backup support
> exist, we could simply improve the UI and give more options to
> administrators, and if an admin has setup system wide backup, cleanly
> inform the non-privileged user that backup is already configured by the
> system administrator. I would be really surprised such a complex system
> wide tool gets written and reach a solid state soon, and even there, I
> would be really surprise if sys-admin would start using such a young
> implementation right away. Also, restoring user home from a user setting
> is quite simple, but restoring a full system requires alternative OS,
> which is usually distro expertise, not a UX expertise (I don't agree
> Gnome 3 is an OS, but its clearly a UX).
> cheers,
> Nicolas
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