Re: Proposed external dependency: WebKit/GTK+

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

Heh - there are definitely two things:

1) How well WebKit exposes itself to assistive technologies.  This is what the 
ATK support is about.

2) How well WebKit interprets ARIA.

The take away from GNOME Boston is that WebKit doesn't do either very well, even 
*after* Joanie applied Alp's a11y patches.  So, there is a fair amount of work 
to do.

Will

David Bolter wrote:
> Hi Behdad,
>
> Yes, ATK support is separate.  My point is that a "Grade A" browser
> should support Web2.0 accessibility. WebKit doesn't yet, so I'm raising
> that as an issue.
>
> cheers,
> David
>
> Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > David Bolter wrote:
> >   
> > > Well I think the elephant in the room here is WAI-ARIA support for
> > > accessible DHTML (i.e. accessible Web2.0 applications). Last I checked
> > > this work is being done for WebKit by Apple engineers, and a Google
> > > engineer. Although the Firefox accessibility hackers have trail blazed
> > > this work and even provided a helpful implementor's guide [1], it is
> > > still a significant effort indeed.
> > >     
> > I thought this was more about implementing ATK support in webkit?  Or are the
> > two the same?  I can't imagine how we wouldn't need GNOME-specific code for a
> > widget to be accessible.  Or is that code already there?
> >
> > behdad
> >
> >   
> > > Other that that, I think over the past year work was done to move some
> > > of Safari's (non-ARIA) accessibility into a platform agnostic
> > > architecture. I think Alp then put in the GNOME atk bindings.
> > >
> > > I know WebKit is fashionable these days, but I don't think we should be
> > > too hasty here. If we going to switch let's do it for the right reasons.
> > >
> > > [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en/ARIA_User_Agent_Implementors_Guide
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Willie Walker wrote:
> > >     
> > > > For me, one of the most important problems we face with WebKit is its
> > > > lack of accessibility support right now.  I have a great fear that Alp
> > > > may have grossly underestimated the scope of the work.  I have some
> > > > confidence, however, that the WebKit folks who were at GNOME Boston
> > > > should be able to do a decent analysis of what it will take to add it.
> > > >
> > > > I so wish I wrote down all the names of the WebKit folks that were at
> > > > GNOME Boston.  I'd like to follow up to see how their exploration is
> > > > coming along.
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 18:48 +0100, Richard Hult wrote:
> > > >   
> > > >       
> > > > > Frederic Peters wrote:
> > > > >     
> > > > >         
> > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/devel-announce-list/2008-August/msg00001.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  + WebKit/GTK+ (external dependency):
> > > > > >    - lots of community support
> > > > > >    - accessibility support might not be good enough (no reply from
> > > > > >      WebKit/GTK+ people)
> > > > > >    - epiphany will still use Gecko for 2.24
> > > > > >    - yelp is still using Gecko at the moment (there's a WebKit branch)
> > > > > >    - devhelp trunk is WebKit-only
> > > > > >    - evolution people intend to use WebKit in 2.26
> > > > > >    - we'd prefer to avoid depending on both Gecko and WebKit at the same
> > > > > >      time
> > > > > >    => rejected for 2.24, but we'll propose a general switch for 2.26
> > > > > >       
> > > > > >           
> > > > > Ah, thanks. I'll keep hacking away in trunk and hope we can ship that 
> > > > > for 2.26 then (and fall back to the old branch again if not).
> > > > >
> > > > > /Richard
> > > > >
> > > > >     
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