Re: Proposing module: PyGTK

["John (J5) Palmieri" <johnp redhat com>]

On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 22:39 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 21:20 +0100, Johan Dahlin wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > As the PyGTK herder[1] I'd like to propose it for inclusion in developer
> > platform or desktop platform. However I think it makes more sense in the
> > developer platform at this point since it's not yet used by any
> > applications in the desktop release.
> > 
> > Description:      Python bindings for gobject/atk/pango/gtk/libglade
> > Project homepage: http://www.pygtk.org/
> > 
> > Documentation is good, we have a reference manual[2] covering for
> > everything but libglade, a FAQ[3] larger than the GTK+ one and an
> > excellent tutorial[4].
> > 
> > PyGTK does not currently bind anything from GTK+ 2.5.x, but since it
> > seems to be only minor API additions (compared to 2.4) it's shouldn't be
> > too difficult to add before 2.10. 
> > 
> > The main point of proposing PyGTK to be included in the developer
> > platform (or perhaps the desktop if people find it more acceptable) is
> > simply to allow people to chose another language to develop applications
> > than C and make it "officially" supported by the community.
> 
> Why is it necessary to add this to the developer platform? I see no
> problem with the Desktop depending on some things in the Bindings
> platform. And we have already established, on this list, that there is
> an overwhelming consensus that Desktop modules should be allowed to use
> pygtk if their maintainers want to.

I'm guessing it is a further stamp of approval and something that people
who don't read the lists in detail feel like they have the go ahead to
use python in their core gnome apps.  I for one wasn't sure if the
proposal was still being discussed or if there was a conclusion.  The
python in gnome core discussion has been going on for years now so the
last batch of mails didn't strike me as making things official.  But if
as you say it finally is official I would guess some sort of statement
on gnome.org would be just as good as adding it to the gnome platform
proper.

> 
> > Please note, this is *NOT* a good time to discuss:
> > a) Python sucks. The foo Language, which does X, Y and Z is superior.
> > b) Rewrite GNOME in Python, which is obviously not going to happen,
> > Python is meant to be an alternative to C, not replacing it.
> > 
> > Before posting, please consider reading the old thread(s) from a couple
> > of weeks ago [5]
> > 
> > [1] some people might call me 'maintainer'.
> > [2] http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/
> > [3] http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/
> > [4] http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/
> > [5] http://lists.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-
> > September/thread.html#00298 and http://lists.gnome.org/archives/desktop-
> > devel-list/2004-September/thread.html#00563
> > 
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John (J5) Palmieri
Associate Software Engineer
Desktop Group
Red Hat, Inc.
Blog: http://martianrock.com