Re: Suggestions

[urgrue <urgrue tumsan fi>]

now we're really getting into personal preferences. i personally
HATE having one program do everything, because it ALWAYS ends up
being a) bloated and b) buggy.
also, there is a very very complicated issue when it comes to UI
and functionality. for example, one person thinks Pan is the
bomb, another thinks Netscape's news reader is the best. One
person loves ICQ's UI, another Jabber, a third MSN Messenger.

the coders have to decide what sort of UI to use. if youre just
making an email client, you have to make this decision once.
if you want to integrate everything, you make this decision a
once for each application. the end result is almost invariably
that nobody is satisfied.

IMVHO i personally feel these jack-of-all-trades applications
are wasted effort. they will never be as good as the individual
specialized apps, and they have at least so far, never been very
successful, being either bloated or buggy or both.

Furthermore, i see a philosophical problem: isn't the OS+XFree
your application, and each application, ICQ, Balsa, etc, the
plugin? what, fundamentally, is the difference? cross-application
(or cross-plugin) transparent communication.

therefore i think getting cross-application communication (drag
and drop, cut and paste, etc) to function perfectly would be the
ideal goal, which should please everyone and bring about all the
functionality that a plugins-for-one-big-app approach would.
without the bloat and bugs and UI issues.



On 2001.04.26 15:00:10 +0300 Roeland Huys wrote:
> On 2001.04.26 13:46:20 +0200 urgrue wrote:
> > i vote for no newsgroup support. at least not until everything
> else is
> > working perfectly. i dont think newsgroup support would be trivial
> to
> > add, since it probably requires performance optimizations to
> support
> > tens of thousands of newgroup names/headers etc.
> 
> You could be right, that's a programmer's issue of course.
> 
> But why not making a general "message communicator" program? 
> Like adding other messaging protocols like ICQ, AOL, IRC chat, ... 
> A plugin approach would be nice. I think it is more performant to
> integrate
> all message-alike features in one program instead of using different
> programs. 
> 
> 
> > 
> > i think "multiple personality" support like in eudora is number
> one on
> > my wishlist.
> > 
> > 
> > On 2001.04.26 14:34:17 +0300 Roeland Huys wrote:
> > > On 2001.04.26 13:17:54 +0200 Daniel Foster wrote:
> > > > > - Newsgroup support
> > > > 
> > > > I am strongly against this.  Balsa is an *e-mail client*, not
> a
> > > > newsreader.
> > > >  The two should be kept seperate.  Check out Pan.
> > > 
> > > But when you post a message to a newsgroup, you actually send an
> > > e-mail,
> > > don't you agree? I think newsgroups and e-mails have very much
> in
> > > common,
> > > except the communication protocol which is much like POP or
> IMAP, so
> > > why
> > > having a different program for that?
> > > I would like to see my favorite newsgroup "inboxes" next to my
> > > personal
> > > mailboxes.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > - When moving a message to another folder (like deleting),
> the
> > > message
> > > > > scope should remain on the same place instead of moving.
> (I'm
> > > more
> > > > > interested in the NEXT message instead of the messages in
> the
> > > trash
> > > > > folder)
> > > > 
> > > > Doesn't happen unless you have the folder the message is being
> > > moved to
> > > > open.  Close trash and the behaviour should stop.  This is the
> > > behaviour
> > > > I
> > > > seem to see anyway.
> > > 
> > > OK, you're right!
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > - Remote control of the application. In the browser, you
> often
> > > see a
> > > > > "mailto:email@server.com" link. When you click it, you can
> start
> > > a
> > > > > command line command. It would be nice to interact with
> Balsa
> > > that way,
> > > > > like to compose a new message without starting new
> > > Balsa-sessions every
> > > > > time. 
> > > > 
> > > > This is a good suggestion.  I have a felling it's already
> there
> > > somehow. 
> > > > Maybe some docs would be helpful :-)
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > 
> > > > Daniel Foster - daniel@34SP.com
> > > > 
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