Re: Fwd:Priorities(及總召的告白)

[Tyng-Ruey Chuang <trc iis sinica edu tw>]

Dear Andrew, dear all,

It so exciting to note that many people are interested in
this year's ICOS, as evidenced by the long CC list.

ICOS has a long tradition, starting in 1999, and many people
have helped make it one of the largest annual events in
Taiwan serving the local open source communities (users and developers).

We have been very grateful that each year several, if not many,
international speakers accept our invitation to participate and
collaborate with us in making ICOS a success. Nevertheless
it is primarily the local communities whom ICOS aims to serve.

The mini-Debian track last year is new to ICOS. Previously
we have not had such an intensive sub-program devoted to
an particular user/developer community. With Andrew's hard work
and the participation from abroad, it is a great success.

To embed two intensive sub-programs (Debian and Gnome) this year,
while at the same time continuing to serve the local communities,
and to do so within the capacity of SLAT (the main ICOS organizer),
however, that will need to be discussed in the SLAT board meeting.

Prof. Hung is appointed by the last SLAT board meeting to initiate
the planning of ICOS 2010, and to lead the discussion in the next
SLAT board meeting.

As for the name ICOS (International Conference on Open Source),
personally I don't mind changing it to better reflect the nature
of the conference.

best,
Tyng-Ruey

On 3/4/10 3:44 AM, Andrew Lee wrote:
> Dear Dr. Wang, Prof. Hung, SLAT board, Gnome.Asia Commttee and other
> important international persons/friends whom may have big passion on this.
> 
> Thanks for Dr. Wang's replay. Let me explain my point of view from my
> deeply true hearts for ICOS and FOSS movement from Taiwan.
> 
> Thanks for 丁老師, 莊老師, apple, Joy Tang, marr, Candy, 阿豪, ICOS 2009
> team, Debian project, and many other countributors to ICOS2009. So that
> we had experience and practices from ICOS 2009 for real international
> community trackers even it's less participant than the traditional trackers.
> 
> I am not really wants to forcing these two events into one, instead I
> would like to have Gnome.Asia, Asia mini-DebConf, embedded/Linux/BSD and
> other international projects as trackers within ICOS which is a frame
> work for free and open source software events in Taiwan.
> 
> However, if ICOS without Gnome.Asia and other international trackers, it
> might not be a true international conference which is not very proud for
> SLAT as SLAT calling it ICOS. I think there is a internal communication
> issue from the ICOS 2009 team to Prof. Hung who is leader of ICOS 2010
> and didn't participate in the organizer team of 2009. What we are trying
> isn't really invent new things, instead we'd like to work together as
> our knowledge and experience from ICOS 2009 and Gnome.Asia committee and
> many other from the rest of the world to imporve the event together.
> 
> We have scheduled a face to face SLAT board meeting at tomorrow evening
> in Taipei city. I'd wish we may sort all the mistake and communication
> issue out while the meeting.
> 
> Again, I don't really care of the title nor names while being help and
> contribute to the free software movement in the world from Taiwan.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> -Andrew
> 
> lee wang wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>  
>>          ": I personally refuse be responsible for the
>> two-in-one event. The best help I can ask for from Andrew is please stop
>> forcing these two events into one."
>>
>>          I lost after the quoted sentence. What is the conclusion? The
>> quoted sentence is serious in nature. It is very personal as well as
>> very authoritative. The quoted statement can negate any subsequent
>> statements  after that.  I plainly lost.
>>  
>>
>>  
>> 2010/3/3 洪朝貴 <ckhung cyut edu tw <mailto:ckhung cyut edu tw>>
>>
>>     Dear All,
>>
>>     Coordinating either Gnome Asia or ICOS is a major endeavor in itself.
>>     There are many benefits to keep these two as separate events. For
>>     example,
>>     each event can apply for sponsorship from the same government office.
>>     It will also be much easier and cleaner for each organizing team to be
>>     held responsible and accountable for its own efforts in securing
>>     sponsorships and its own decisions such as allocation of resources.
>>
>>     Of course it benefits both events if they happen at nearby time and
>>     space.
>>     We can exchange speakers and/or collaborate on events such as software
>>     freedom day through a transparent and well defined interface.
>>     But that does not necessarily mean that it's a good idea to mix up
>>     these two events into one.
>>
>>     In fact I personally believe that it's a bad idea to do so. I have
>>     repeatedly expressed my point both privately and to a small group of
>>     people.
>>     Yet Andrew, optimism and persistence and confidence being three of his
>>     major charismas, seems to be able to give positive interpretations to
>>     any negative answers. Please allow me to be blunt lest Andrew
>>     misunderstands
>>     and misinterprets yet again: I personally refuse be responsible for the
>>     two-in-one event. The best help I can ask for from Andrew is please
>>     stop forcing these two events into one.
>>
>>     That said, I wish to express my welcome to the Gnome Asia team and other
>>     international communities on behalf of the ICOS team. If Andrew and/or
>>     anyone else is willing to take major responsibility for coordinating
>>     Gnome Asia in Taiwan (whether it's 2010 as Andrew insists, or 2011 as I
>>     suggest for longer preparation time) and recruiting a committee, then
>>     several of us will be eager to help and/or to offer each of our own
>>     services
>>     in clearly and precisely defined tasks. As the ICOS coordinator, for
>>     example,
>>     I will be glad to support Gnome Asia team's priority over ICOS in
>>     choosing
>>     the type of sponsorship to apply for from the Kaohsiung City Government
>>     (so as to differentiate these two events and maximize the probability of
>>     both being approved) since Gnome Asia is truly a much more international
>>     event than ICOS is. Other possible contributions from Taiwanese FS
>>     community
>>     include the DRBL and Clonezilla projects, the efforts and experiences
>>     in science education using FS from many school teachers, the experience
>>     of fighting againt the MS empire using Tux USB Keys, ... And of course
>>     I suppose the LXDE development team of which Andrew is a member will
>>     most
>>     certainly be involved as one of the major international projects
>>     located at Taiwan.
>>
>>     So Emily and everyone else, please do forward this reply especially if
>>     you have already forwarded the previous one to your mailing lists.
>>     (My guess is that I have no access to asia-summit-list gnome org
>>     <mailto:asia-summit-list gnome org>)
>>     At some point we will translate some important pages about ICOS 2010
>>     into English and put them up here: http://www.slat.org/icos.wiki/
>>     Anyone with visible coding/documenting/advocacy/... contributions in FS
>>     is welcome to present herself/himself as a possible speaker in the wiki
>>     for us ICOS 2010 team to discuss official invitations.
>>     (The planning page is already there. You can put yourself there
>>     right away.
>>     http://www.slat.org/icos.wiki/index.php/ICOS_2010_foreign_speakers )
>>     Whether it's ICOS or Gnome Asia or simply vacation that you come to
>>     Taiwan for,
>>     we welcome and hope to meet international FS friends in Taiwan around
>>     Sep 18, the software freedom day! (Or any other time, without ICOS)
>>
>>     Best Regards,
>>
>>     --
>>              「Windows 盜版警察」 進駐你家了, 快醒醒吧! 請搜尋。
>>                        http://people.ofset.org/~ckhung/
>>                             Chao-Kuei Hung 洪朝貴
>>
>>     ps. I am CK, coordinator of this year's ICOS. My participation in the FS
>>        community includes coding algotutor and mk-boot-usb, and documenting
>>        drgeo. But I advocate far more than I code:
>>        http://blog.ofset.org/ckhung/index.php?tag/English
>>        (but many more are in Chinese at the same blog and at links from
>>     there)
>>        I am most interested in spreading FS into non-technical fields, such
>>        as using "tux usb keys" (please google) to help people see what
>>     GNU/Linux
>>        can do. Please share your similar ideas/experiences/interests
>>     with me.
>>
>>
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