Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows

[Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster rasterman com>]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:03:00 +0200 Lubos Lunak <l lunak suse cz> babbled:

> On Friday 24 of June 2005 13:40, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:19:36 +0200 Lubos Lunak <l lunak suse cz> babbled:
> > >  Yeah, and I'd want $100M and days to have at least 28 hours. That said,
> > > it's questionable if either of this would be actually good for me. And
> > > this still doesn't answer the "why?". There must be a reason why them
> > > want it. So why?
> 
>  still no answer ...

they may want wm focus policy and the wm to handle hiding/whatever the window
when flipping desktops but NOT have any wm control - NOT allow the window to be
moved or resized... maybe they dont want to indicate any of this. maybe its
displaying some kind of OSD that needs focus but wants the rest of what a wm
provides. who knows.

> >
> > the difference is - borderless windows is easy to provide - $100m is not :)
> >
> > >  But that's only because they got used to it this way. I actually use
> > > xmms myself. I know the UI sucks, I hate its Gtk dialogs, especially the
> > > fileopen
> >
> > and then the logic behind having a taskbar, start menu etc. must be
> > entirely flawed. we should not have panels at the bottom of the screen -
> > users are used to these. why do they get provided? to make users happy.
> > they may want things for irrational reasons - but they still want them. :)
> 
>  the difference is - custom wm controls is a stupid idea - taskbar is not :)

i'm trying to stay neutral on this :) personally the fact a wm and a widget
toolkit are separate is already a big issue. but i wont be going into that. :)

>  Or at least we don't have anything better than taskbars and start menus. 
> There's nothing inherently wrong with taskbars and start menu, they may have 
> their problems, but they're more or less fine. That's not the case with apps 
> trying to provide their own wm controls just for the fun of it.

what if someone has a new idea? they are working on it - the current semantic
types dont fit - or a semantic type fits but the idea is a slight variation
where that window is to be borderless? WITHOUT explicit borderless hints such
development of the client would be hard or impossible as it would mean wm
hacking. :)

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