Re: extended WM_TRANSIENT_FOR (was Re: _NET: Disabling shading)

[Rob Adams <readams readams net>]

The advantage is that the USER_TIME stuff iis a huge usability
improvement for 99.999% of users.

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 09:29, Bill Haneman wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 17:18, Rob Adams wrote:
> > KWin marks the window with the _NEEDS_ATTENTION hint when it is
> > prevented from stealing focus.  Assistive technologies could pick up on
> > this hint.
> 
> ATs do not (and should not, IMO) listen directly to WM hints.  If
> additional API is needed it would have to go into the GNOME accessibilty
> infrastructure.  However I don't see a good justification for this in
> the current case.
> 
> - Bill
> 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 05:58, Bill Haneman wrote:
> > 
> > > I certainly hope this feature is optional.  I can foresee accessibility
> > > problems with it; at this time assistive technologies use
> > > window-activation as their means of knowing that something needs or is
> > > trying to get the user's attention, for instance warning dialogs, etc. 
> > > Windows that aren't activated are generally ignored.  
> > > 
> > > A sighted user can 'see' that a new window has been posted, or has been
> > > raised, etc. and that its content has changed, but blind users must rely
> > > on the AT and WM for that.  We have enshrined the 'focus on create'
> > > policy and also the notion that alerts, etc. must steal focus in order
> > > to be heard.
> > > 
> > > - Bill
> > > 
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