Re: Proposal for ConfigureRequest handling

[Dominik Vogt <dominik vogt gmx de>]

On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 05:33:33PM +0200, Marko Macek wrote:
> Dominik Vogt wrote:
> >On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:29:35PM +0200, Marko Macek wrote:
> >
> >>>On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:00:52PM +0200, Marko Macek wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>No. What I'm saying that if a window manager supports NETWM hints, it
> >>>
> >>>should
> >>>
> >>>>MUST comply with this ICCCM rule about window positioning (at least for
> >>>>NETWM compliant applications).
> >>>
> >>>Okay, how does the WM find out if an app is NETWM compliant?  The
> >>>application could set a property indicating this on its top level
> >>>windows.  That may be the better solution since it takes the
> >>>workload off the app programmers and lets the window manager
> >>>handle it.  On one hand it's much easier to do that in the WM
> >>>(because it knows the size of the decorations) and on the other
> >>>hand it's less error prone in the applications.
> >>
> >>I suggested (below) that NET_WM_PING is used for this. 
> >>It is trivial to implement in the apps and must be registered in
> >>WM_PROTOCOLS if supported. It also has no extra special semantics for 
> >>window management.
> >
> >
> >I somewhat doubt that Java/AWT is going to support the whole NETWM
> >hints just to communicate a single property.
> 
> Where does it say they have to support everything?
> 
> They only have to implement NET_WM_PING.

You mean simply answering the ping indicates that the application
hounours the ICCCM rule about ConfigureRequests?  Well, then it
must *really* be written in the spec in big fat letters so that
new applications don't start to misuse ConfigureRequests again.

> My understanding is that most parts of the spec are optional.
> That's why we have _NET_SUPPORTED and that's why NET_WM_PING
> must be registered in WM_PROTOCOLS, etc...
> 
> I certainly don't plan to implement everything in icewm
> (like scrollable desktop, etc...).

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Dominik ^_^  ^_^

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