Re: [Vala] valaDevelop

[Jonathan Moerman <jonathanmoerman gmail com>]

For me valaIDE didn't really solve any problems I had. What I would like is
a stable (so no Gnome Builder, that one is really crash prone with Vala
projects.) IDE with error checking, autocomplete and support for cmake
(preferably not tied to any build system). The closest I've gotten to a
good development environment is gedit + valencia (vala autocomplete)
(Though I consider the interface of modern gedit to be a bit of trainwreck).

For any previous IDE it was pretty much the same story, I lose more
functionality than I get by using the IDE, so I stop using the IDE
immediately. (And the previous IDEs were often quite buggy.)

I don't think it is a good idea to build a IDE specialized in Vala
development as the community is far too small and will likely stay that way.
It would probably be better to make a language server implementation for
Vala.

Because of all of this I don't really get excited when someone makes a new
IDE. And, yes, the IDE not being open source didn't help, but it certainly
wasn't the only reason.

With fright I had to realize that all these OPENSOURCE projects no
> longer work with modern systems.
> No one has enhanced or fixed something, even though it's open source!

Well if the IDE wasn't worth using why work on fixing them? Getting these
IDEs in what I consider a good shape would also have taken too much effort.
More effort than it would take me to just write/improve a plugin for a text
editor like gedit. (Not that I really have had the time to do that besides
some small fixes.)

     Jonathan Moerman


Op vr 10 mei 2019 om 17:33 schreef Wolfgang Mauer <
wolfgang mauer kabelmail de>:

> Maybe a bit cynical:Idon't blame others !!!!
>
> When I became aware of vala last year, I was looking for an IDE and
> found valaIDE and valama and others.
> With fright I had to realize that all these OPENSOURCE projects no
> longer work with modern systems.
> No one has enhanced or fixed something, even though it's open source!
>
>
> That's why I decided against opensource, so that's not the case with my
> IDE, which was first written in C# by the way.
>
>
> I did not expect that it comes to such a rejection.
> I had rather expected that I get applause for a working IDE.
> But, it always comes differently than you think...
>
>
>
> Am 10.05.19 um 16:07 schrieb rastersoft:
>
> > I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you: you didn't provide any
> > kind of source code. Yes, you published the generated .c files, but
> > those aren't the source code, I can't use that to fix a bug or add new
> > features (well, I can try, but doing that would be nearly as hard as
> > fixing a binary executable with a disassembler and an hexadecimal
> > editor). So those "source files" are completely useless.
> >
> > Also, I think that the problem IS that it wasn't open source, and your
> > depart shows precisely why: the only person with access to the source
> > code leaves the project and it dies, leaving all the current users
> > with just a binary that can't be enhanced or fixed, and that sooner or
> > later will stop working on modern systems. I lived this several times,
> > and that's why I decided to not use valadevelop. Yes, I tested it and
> > it was good, but I didn't want to be left again trapped with a dead
> > project.
> >
> > Of course, it is your code and you are the only one with the right to
> > decide what to do with it; but if you make a decision, don't blame
> > others.
> >
> > El 10/5/19 a las 15:35, Wolfgang Mauer escribió:
> > > I'm sorry, maybe it's because I work in a big software company and
> > > get paid for my development, so the "spirit" of open source........
> > >
> > > If the source I provided is not enough, you'll probably have to
> > > continue hoping/waiting for better IDE.
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 10.05.19 um 15:18 schrieb Luca Dionisi via vala-list:
> > > > +1
> > > > I use Gnome Builder, but I am always in search of better free software
> > > > alternatives.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 3:17 PM Dr. Michael Lauer
> > > > <mickey vanille de> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well, I can imagine that it would have generated more feedback if
> > > > > it was
> > > > > developed
> > > > > in the open. Most (of the few) Vala developers have strong roots in
> > > > > open
> > > > > source and
> > > > > – although not as comfortable as ValaDevelop – there are
> > > > > „alternatives"
> > > > > out there which
> > > > > are completely open.
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, Wolfgang, if you no longer want to work on it, why not
> > > > > free it
> > > > > at last and upload
> > > > > the source?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards for the future,
> > > > >
> > > > > :M:
> > > > >
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