Re: [Tracker] Roadmap to 0.7
- From: Jamie McCracken <jamie mccrack googlemail com>
- To: Ivan Frade <ivan frade gmail com>
- Cc: Pavel Rojtberg <lists rotberg net>, tracker-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: [Tracker] Roadmap to 0.7
- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:53:31 -0400
Hi Ivan,
thats pretty much the plan - quick UI in Genie for 0.7 which will
gradually improve throughout 0.7 series
I dont expect nokia to maintain any GTK stuff so Im happy to do my part
and do all front end work - you dont want me screwing up your backend
code anyhow :)
do you have any planned dates for those releases?
Im quite happy to have 0.7 anytime from monday 20th july onwards as I
should have the new tst wihtin a week
jamie
On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 15:11 +0300, Ivan Frade wrote:
Hi,
Thinking about the future of tracker-search-tool (understand t-s-t as
a end-user program), i see only 4 options:
a) Kill tracker-search-tool. Focus on the daemon, and let external
apps be our UI.
b) Quick fix the current t-s-t (modify the code to use sparql and some
dirty hacks to keep everything similar).
c) Rewrite t-s-t (probably in a different language) with the same UI.
d) Write a brand new t-s-t with a brand new UI that shows how powerful
is the daemon.
We have also three "milestones" in tracker in the near future:
1) 0.7.0 release
2) 0.7.x cycle
3) for the stable 0.8 release
So, we can combine different decisions and moments (E.g. quick hack
for 0.7.0 and new UI for 0.8) (or in chess notation: b1, d3).
My opinion: At some point we should get rid of t-s-t (or revamp it
into a developer tool). With the new architecture, tracker is not a
user program anymore, but an efficient backend for applications.
0.7.x are development releases, not intended for distribution (i.e.
end-users), and we want a release ASAP because some applications are
interested in testing it. So i prefer to focus in _documentation_ and
stability than waste time on the UI. To remove t-s-t in 0.7.0 or to
fix it quickly to release soon is fine with me. We can add it again
later if necessary.
Regards,
Ivan
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Jamie McCracken
<jamie mccrack googlemail com> wrote:
I hope to have a new UI (actually it will look quite similar)
next week
It probably wont be as advanced as I like but we have plenty
of time to
improve on it - dont need to do everything in one go!
jamie
On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 00:29 +0200, Pavel Rojtberg wrote:
> The problem with developing a new UI is that it takes time
and the
> upstream version freeze is already close for Ubuntu 9.10.
>
> From an application developer POV I would rather try to
push tracker
> 0.7 into Ubuntu than developing a new UI.
> Since then I can start using the full potential of tracker.
>
> Right now I am using the SqlQuery method with really hacky
queries since
> what I really need is the SparQL interface...
>
> Regards
>
> Pavel
>
>
> On 10.07.2009 20:12, Michael Lissner wrote:
> > I'm not nearly as involved as all you are in this project,
but I linger
> > around on the list to cast opinions about when something
catches my eye,
> > as this has.
> >
> > I can say that as a (somewhat lay) user of Tracker, the UI
is about as
> > bad as Martyn says - it works, but barely. My impression
was that the
> > 0.7 release was supposed to be something big; something
for the
> > community to be excited about. I can understand the desire
to push it
> > out the door, but if the idea is to release a major
version number, and
> > for it to be a big deal, doing so lacking a UI to leverage
it seems like
> > folly to me.
> >
> > I agree that we shouldn't try to push the community too
much (as Phillip
> > says, I think), and that going with the flow is a good
thing, but I
> > really hope we don't release such a poor tracker UI when
the
> > architecture has been made so wonderously powerful
underneath.
> >
> > My 2 cents...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > Jamie McCracken wrote on 07/10/2009 04:11 AM:
> >> I started looking at fixing the UIs yesterday so
hopefully should have
> >> them fixed this weekend or early nest week-I might need
to bug some of
> >> you for improved sparql suport
> >>
> >> Please dont release til we have them!
> >>
> >> There also a number of things missing
> >>
> >> Metadata rank weights-should be in ontology but they are
not
> >>
> >> I wrote the fts rank funtion but it needs to be use the
correct metadata
> >> weight and be exposed by spqarql so I can order results
by rank
> >>
> >> the rank function simply sums (weight * number of
occurences) as fts
> >> stores the positions and hence we known number of
occurrences in the
> >> index
> >>
> >> for search tool I also need FTS snippets function to be
exposed by
> >> sparql (its in fts and I modded it to be efficient)
> >>
> >> The above is needed by search tool so I cant finish that
off until that
> >> is done. No doubt there will be other issues as I fix the
Uis that
> >> require mods to sparql
> >>
> >> I also think we need the Events (onto, storage and
possibly dbus) to be
> >> added to that list. I can add it to the file indexer to
store file
> >> histories during indexing once its in our onto.
> >>
> >> I would like to eliminate the Zeitgeist daemon as what
they want to do
> >> is most inefficient - get relevant data from tracker to a
python
> >> middleware process and forward it on to clients. IOW
their daemon acts
> >> like a wrapper around tracker and is therefore redundant
not to mention
> >> bad design!!! They should use a c lib if they want to
wrap tracker not a
> >> python daemon!
> >>
> >> Also we should get tracker into Gnome within 6 months so
clients can go
> >> straight to tracker for metadata, tags, events etc
> >>
> >> jamie
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 11:00 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> This year there has been a lot of talk around tracker
which is really
> >>> good to see and also some applications like zeitgeist
are interested in
> >>> using it too.
> >>>
> >>> Through the week, I have been thinking about what is
left to do before
> >>> we can start releasing the 0.7 unstable versions.
> >>>
> >>> I started a wiki page with the details and have started
working on some
> >>> of these already. If anyone has anything to add, please
do so.
> >>>
> >>> http://live.gnome.org/Tracker/Roadmap
> >>>
> >>> After speaking to the rest of the team (we estimate) we
could release
> >>> within a month or so.
> >>>
> >>> This largely depends on the UI too. Right now we are
considering
> >>> releasing the unstable versions without any UIs and to
work on those
> >>> during the 0.7 releases. Jamie has elected to get
started on those in
> >>> the next few weeks.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Martyn
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