Re: gtk+3 (was: [IMPORTANT] How much time are you planing to spend on Sawfish 3.0)

[Christopher Roy Bratusek <zanghar freenet de>]

Am Sun, 23 May 2010 14:00:55 +0200
schrieb Christopher Roy Bratusek <zanghar freenet de>:

> Am Sun, 23 May 2010 12:49:20 +0200
> schrieb Christopher Roy Bratusek <zanghar freenet de>:
> 
> > Am Sun, 23 May 2010 16:56:14 +0900 (JST)
> > schrieb Teika Kazura <teika lavabit com>:
> > 
> > > Hi. I approve that it should be that gtk3 is an option, not a switch
> > > now. Is it easy to support both 2 and 3, Chris?
> > > 
> 
> in the c-part it's not difficult, for rep-gtk we may check for the version.
> 
> Just to make it clear: we're speaking about an alpha-version, not a stable one.
> 
> > > It may be obvious, but
> > > * many apps rely on gtk+2, so it won't die immediately. In gentoo
> > >   Linux for example, gtk+1 is still available.
> > > * Is gtk+3 API design stable enough? If the upstream causes a flood of
> > >   changes, it'll be a waste.
> > > * When will distros and other apps support gtk+3? Not soon, so I don't
> > >   feel like pulling in large dependency tree for gtk+3, only for
> > >   Sawfish.
> > > * If our kind people don't feel like using the latest Sawfish, then it
> > >   slows down the development.
> > > 
> > > But I thank Chris. It is not a preferred task, and requires skills,
> > > but if gtk+2 dies sometime in the future, then who'll do it?
> > 
> > Actually GTK+3 is "just" an improved GTK+2, but a majority of widgets beeing used
> > in Sawfish is going to be removed, because they are marked deprecated since GTK+
> > 2.0.0. Next Sawfish 3.0.0 is *currently* scheduled for June 2010, while GTK+
> > 3.0.0
> 
> err. June 2011.
> 
> > is released in September 2010, so we are not that early. Sawfish 3.0.0 is
> > expected to also break things, as it's another major version. GTK+2 and 3 and be
> > installed at the same time.
> > 
> > Besides: who said that 1.6x dies immediately when 3.0x entering the alpha-phase?
> > Of course testers need GTK+3, but well, you can install
> > Fedora/Ubuntu/Mandriva/SuSE & Co. as testdistro (or in VirtualBox), those
> > distros next major release will ship GTK+3. And installing GTK+3 manually
> > besides GTK+2 won't include much more than GLib3, newer Cairo and Pango, that
> > should be it.
> > 
> > However keep 3.0.0 at GTK+2 and switching to GTK+3 with 3.2.0 or 3.4.0 doesn't
> > make sense.
> > 
> > > On the other hand, rep-gtk is only used by Sawfish, so I'm afraid it
> > > might be too much to make rep-gtk support all widgets of gtk. Only
> > > needed are sufficient, no? (It's really unlikely, but if a saviour
> > > comes, and gives us a Sawfish re-implemented in some other good Lisp,
> > > then rep-gtk is not necessary.)
> > 
> > Of course at first only the necessary stuff is implemented.

hmm… while I come to think of it… we might use GObject-Introspection for rep-gtk
3.0.0, which would save time after the initial implementation.

> > > With best regards,
> > > Teika (Teika kazura)
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 



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Re[3]: Geschmäcker
Gesendet von KDEler am Do, 17. Mai um 18:15

>Ja, Trolle nehmen jede Meinung als Vorlage. KDE hat schon in der Basisausführung
>subjektiv viel zuviel Featuritis. Das soll jeder für sich entscheiden.

Wenn Du auf ein flexibles System verzichten willst - schade für Dich.

Meiner Meinung nach findet GNOME nur durch den Unbuntu Hype Beachtung. Die meisten
Windows -> Ubuntu Umsteiger werden KDE garnicht kennen und bleiben deswegen bei
GNOME.

Wäre KDE der Standard Desktop von Ubuntu würden sich die Ex-Windows User garantiert
besser aufgehoben fühlen.

  Re[4]: Geschmäcker
  Gesendet von Christopher Roy Bratusek am Do, 17. Mai um 18:30

  Aha, ich beachte GNOME nur aufgrund eines Systems, das 1 1/2 Jahre nach dem ich
  zum ersten Mal Linux [debian woody (mit GNOME)] installiert und benutzt habe
  erschienen ist, Danke

  Und ich hab mich schon immer gefragt warum

  Ich weiss gar nicht wie dir danken soll, dass du mir endlich den Pfad des Lichtes
  gezeigt hast 1000-dank!

    Re[5]: Geschmäcker
    Gesendet von KDEler am Do, 17. Mai um 23:28

    >Ich weiss gar nicht wie dir danken soll, dass du mir endlich den Pfad des
    Lichtes gezeigt hast 1000-dank!

    Bitte! :-)